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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2019 0:02:44 GMT -5
Alright, so the new contrast paints are out. Have any of you used them yet? If so, how are they? I've heard they don't really work well on a black undercoat, but do you guys think white is a good undercoat colour for them, or is it better on grey or something?
I'm looking forward to hear what you guys say, as these could make things much easier. If they work well, I'll try to pick some up.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jun 19, 2019 5:56:57 GMT -5
don't work at all on a black undercoat. There's specific primers from GW that they work best on.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2019 6:03:35 GMT -5
Alright, good to know.
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Post by cmcd on Jun 19, 2019 7:08:24 GMT -5
Wraith bone is good for a primer. I like it more than the grey sear. It’s warmer. I added pictures of my work with contrast paint in my thread.
Have not tried non-contrast primers but... probably should try.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2019 15:52:50 GMT -5
Do you think the Corax White primer would work? It's about $4 less than the contrast primers, so that wold be a plus if it would work.
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Post by trantos01 on Jun 19, 2019 18:18:41 GMT -5
Do you think the Corax White primer would work? It's about $4 less than the contrast primers, so that wold be a plus if it would work. OK I haven't tried the CP directly on a primer (I only have black) but they do work as proverbial layer paints. You just need contrasting/bright colors underneath for the effect to work.
I did some quick and dirty tests with Black Templar and Warp lightning over P3 Pig iron and Moot Green/Warpstone Glow respectively.
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Post by Khalai on Jun 19, 2019 18:18:49 GMT -5
I'll prime up a couple models after my son goes to sleep with Army Painter White, Grey and Contrast Grey Seer and post up the results. I've actually been trying to get this done for a few nights now, but I just might finally get a chance tonight.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jun 19, 2019 18:31:55 GMT -5
To get the best results from contrast, I've heard the primer is the key.
I watched contrast over a dark model primed in black in the airbrush workshop result in a literal repaint having to occur.
I don't think you'll get the results you want unless you prime accordingly. It will put paint on models of course, but to get the shade/layer/highlight effect you have to use the right primer - according to GW who made the stuff!
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Post by Khalai on Jun 19, 2019 20:36:02 GMT -5
Welp, they're still drying (These do take much longer to dry than conventional paints), however I'm ready to makes some first impressions based on the primer tests I did.
For some context with my general primer choices. I don't prime things white. Even my Slaanesh stuff which ends up very white, I use Grey. I can't handle how bright most things start out as, and generally prefer muted tones.
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Army Painter: Matt White Army Painter: Uniform Grey GW: Mechanicus Standard Grey GW: Contrast Grey Seer
I didn't realise how light Grey Seer would be compared to the greys I usually prime with. Simply put, it's almost white, just with a grey tone to it.
I used Lizardmen Temple Guard for the test, painting one coat of Aethermatic Blue (A light blue-green) on the body and one coat of Akhelian Green (a dark green-blue) on the shields.
The Army Painter and GW greys look like complete crap with the lighter Blue, and not good with the darker Green. Basically, never use one of these.
On the White the colours would actually look ok if you weren't looking for any highlighting. It looks like you were painting over you model with a slightly thicker wash. It does get some of the low lights in the areas it pools, however you get absolutely no highlighting, which is kind of the point of contrast paints. If you were ok with this effect I'm sure you would get the exact same thing by using the shades straight over primer (Same for the greys too, but they're so dark that barely any colour covers the grey).
Conrast Grey Seer however, actually is bringing the highlights. I'm actually impressed how different it looks compared to the White, despite them being almost the same colour base. Definitely worth the price difference if you were going to use GW or Army Painter primers, and really does seem to be the way to get the most out of the paints.
I do think most of the lighter colours are going to need a second coat, or maybe I didn't leave enough on the model.
Pictures to come once dry.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jun 19, 2019 20:48:25 GMT -5
contrast also has to go on with a thick coat to get full effect... it's definitely not like regular paint... and yes, it's recommended you use contrast primer too
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Post by Khalai on Jun 19, 2019 20:51:13 GMT -5
Here's the comparison pictures. The pictures really don't do justice to how much of the grey shows through either. I think though that I can paint up this Lizar *ahem* Seraphon army in a week this way. You know, if I had a week to paint an army.
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Post by trantos01 on Jun 19, 2019 22:03:23 GMT -5
Hmm, does the Constrast primer work fine for other paints?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2019 23:10:40 GMT -5
Well, looks like I'll be going after the contrast primer after all. Still haven't bought any of the contrast paints yet, waiting for my next pay, hahaha.
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Post by Khalai on Jun 20, 2019 5:30:30 GMT -5
Hmm, does the Constrast primer work fine for other paints? I'd imagine so, but I can let you know tonight when I do some detail work on the the saurus.
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Post by cmcd on Jun 20, 2019 8:52:09 GMT -5
One of the bigger annoyance I have found thus far with contrast paint is because of the light primer colour. You need to make sure you coat it throughly or you will get little white dots of primer that was missed. It’s a simple fix by adding more contrast paint. However it’s frustrating. It also stands out more cause it’s off white vs black primer.
Shake the pots before use.
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