Salamander curious

[Jack Shrapnel]

yes I know... phobos seems made for raven guard sneaky types... but I wanna paint some green fades and flames cuz they'd look cool. 

I own ZERO of any of this. so would be a scratch build.  Can literally change anything since nothing is bought....yet

(obviously it's based on making full use of the shadowspear box set for a good savings)

So this would be my first "real" space marine army (that isn't a joke theme)...

considering I may be short on anti-tank though in case those pesky iron hands show up.... 



++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [67 PL, -3CP, 1,323pts] ++


**Chapter Selection**: Salamanders

Relics of the Chapter (1 Relic) [-1CP]


+ HQ +


Chapter Master in Phobos Armor [5 PL, -2CP, 99pts]: 2. Lord of Deceit, Camo cloak, Master-crafted instigator bolt carbine, Stratagem: Chapter Master, The Vox Espiritum, Warlord

Librarian in Phobos Armour [5 PL, 101pts]: Camo cloak, Force sword, Reliquary of Gathalamor

Lieutenant in Phobos Armor [5 PL, 81pts] Occulus Bolt Carbine and Bolt Pistol: Grav-chute, Master-crafted occulus bolt rifle



+ Troops +



Infiltrator Squad [5 PL, 110pts]: 4x Infilltrator, Infiltrator Sergeant

Infiltrator Squad [5 PL, 110pts]: 4x Infilltrator, Infiltrator Sergeant

Intercessor Squad [10 PL, 196pts]: Auto Bolt Rifle
. 9x Intercessor
. Intercessor Sergeant: Thunder hammer


+ Elites +

Primaris Ancient [4 PL, 69pts]


+ Fast Attack +


Suppressor Squad [4 PL, 90pts]

. 2x Suppressor: 2x Accelerator autocannon, 2x Grav-chute
. Suppressor Sergeant: Accelerator autocannon, Grav-chute


+ Heavy Support +


Eliminator Squad [4 PL, 72pts]

. Eliminator Sergeant: Bolt sniper rifle, Camo cloak
. 2x Eliminator with Bolt Sniper: 2x Bolt sniper rifle, 2x Camo cloak


Relic Leviathan Dreadnought [16 PL, 303pts]: 2x Heavy flamer, Storm cannon array, Storm cannon array


Thunderfire Cannon [4 PL, 92pts]

. Techmarine Gunner. . Servo-harness: Flamer, Plasma cutter


++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [33 PL, -1CP, 676pts] ++


**Chapter Selection**: Salamanders


+ HQ +


Chaplain Venerable Dreadnought [11 PL, -1CP, 192pts]: Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter, The Imperium's Sword, Twin lascannon. Melee weapon: Dreadnought combat weapon, Storm bolter



+ Elites +


Aggressor Squad [10 PL, 222pts]: 5x Aggressor, Aggressor Sergeant

. Auto Boltstorm Gauntlets/Fragstorm Grenade Launcher


Invictor Tactical Warsuit [6 PL, 131pts]: Fragstorm Grenade Launcher, Heavy bolter, Incendium cannon, 2x Ironhail Heavy Stubber

Invictor Tactical Warsuit [6 PL, 131pts]: Fragstorm Grenade Launcher, Heavy bolter, Incendium cannon, 2x Ironhail Heavy Stubber



++ Total: [100 PL, -4CP, 1,999pts] ++

[LizardTau]

nice. might as well get a leviathan before they go way up in points lol.

Id agree with the anti tank except you have those warsuits and the chap dread. you hit a big dread with your suppressors and then charge it when it cant overwatch

[Typhus]

Any thought to playing a Successor chapter, and just painting your guys green with flames? I feel like a custom Chapter Tactic would probably fit this army list better than the Salamanders.

[Jack Shrapnel]

Sept 13, 2019 21:20:59 GMT -5 Typhus said:

Any thought to playing a Successor chapter, and just painting your guys green with flames? I feel like a custom Chapter Tactic would probably fit this army list better than the Salamanders.

yeah I'd be totally down for that... which ones would you recommend I take?

[Typhus]

Depending on what you'd like to focus on, some combination of...

Long Range Marksmen - +3" range on all weapons goes extremely far on flamers, and Aggressors.

Stealthy - Gain the benefit of cover if enemies are more than 12" away. Huge benefit to the Leviathan, and your long-range shooty elements. Covers for your midrange units as they close the gap.

Whirlwind of Rage - 6s to hit during the fight phase count as two (or, infinite) hits. Very powerful on the Dreadnought Smashlain. Hitting at S16 and D4, on average 8 or 9 times? Not bad at all.

Until Salamanders get their rules you can call yourselves an Iron Hands successor - you get the benefit of moving and shooting with no heavy weapon hit penalty, and reroll 1s to hit with your heavy weapons. Now you can leave the Suppressors and Eliminators behind without feeling guilty!

[Jack Shrapnel]

hmmm long range marksmen and stealthy seem like a pretty good combo... best of both worlds

[Jack Shrapnel]

Giving a bit of a rewrite... combination of cool models to paint, and dropping the leviathan - need a box of aggressors and two warsuits to have everything for this now. 

When the Salamander book is released I might just drop down to 3 aggressors (might even put flamers on them and let them ride in the executioner) to grab the points for the new primaris character because he's sweet looking! *would give me a savings of 135 points, so hopefully he's not more than that!


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [71 PL, -3CP, 1,421pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

**Chapter Selection**: Salamanders

Relics of the Chapter (1 Relic) [-1CP]

+ HQ +

Chapter Master in Phobos Armor [5 PL, -2CP, 99pts]: 2. Lord of Deceit, Camo cloak, Master-crafted instigator bolt carbine, Stratagem: Chapter Master, The Vox Espiritum, Warlord

Librarian in Phobos Armour [5 PL, 101pts]: Camo cloak, Force sword, Reliquary of Gathalamor

Lieutenants in Phobos Armor [5 PL, 81pts]
. Lieutenant in Phobos Armour
. . Occulus Bolt Carbine and Bolt Pistol: Grav-chute, Master-crafted occulus bolt rifle

+ Troops +

Infiltrator Squad [5 PL, 110pts]: 4x Infilltrator, Infiltrator Sergeant

Infiltrator Squad [5 PL, 110pts]: 4x Infilltrator, Infiltrator Sergeant

Intercessor Squad [10 PL, 187pts]: Auxiliary Grenade Launcher, Bolt rifle
. 9x Intercessor
. Intercessor Sergeant: Thunder hammer

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 86pts]: Auxiliary Grenade Launcher, Bolt rifle
. 4x Intercessor
. Intercessor Sergeant

+ Elites +

Primaris Ancient [4 PL, 69pts]

+ Fast Attack +

Suppressor Squad [4 PL, 90pts]
. 2x Suppressor: 2x Accelerator autocannon, 2x Grav-chute
. Suppressor Sergeant: Accelerator autocannon, Grav-chute

+ Heavy Support +

Eliminator Squad [4 PL, 72pts]
. Eliminator Sergeant: Bolt sniper rifle, Camo cloak
. 2x Eliminator with Bolt Sniper: 2x Bolt sniper rifle, 2x Camo cloak

Repulsor Executioner [15 PL, 324pts]: 2x Fragstorm Grenade Launcher, Heavy Laser Destroyer, Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon, 2x Storm bolter, Twin Heavy Bolter, Twin Icarus Ironhail Heavy Stubber

Thunderfire Cannon [4 PL, 92pts]
. Techmarine Gunner
. . Servo-harness: Flamer, Plasma cutter

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [26 PL, -1CP, 561pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

**Chapter Selection**: Salamanders

Relics of the Chapter (1 Relic) [-1CP]

+ HQ +

Primaris Chaplain [4 PL, 77pts]: 5. Recitation of Focus, Benediction of Fury, Litany of Hate

+ Elites +

Aggressor Squad [10 PL, 222pts]: 5x Aggressor, Aggressor Sergeant
. Auto Boltstorm Gauntlets/Fragstorm Grenade Launcher

Invictor Tactical Warsuit [6 PL, 131pts]: Fragstorm Grenade Launcher, Heavy bolter, Incendium cannon, 2x Ironhail Heavy Stubber

Invictor Tactical Warsuit [6 PL, 131pts]: Fragstorm Grenade Launcher, Heavy bolter, Incendium cannon, 2x Ironhail Heavy Stubber

++ Total: [97 PL, 5CP, 1,982pts] ++

[Typhus]

Bit of a shame that Salamanders seem to synergize pretty poorly with Primaris units - no melta at all, and only three flamers (including the new special character).

Still - looks like a pretty nasty list. I'm a big fan of the unit of 10 (veteran) Intercessors with a thunder hammer. 40 shots is nothing to sneer at.

[Jack Shrapnel]

Sept 22, 2019 23:20:45 GMT -5 Typhus said:

Bit of a shame that Salamanders seem to synergize pretty poorly with Primaris units - no melta at all, and only three flamers (including the new special character).

Still - looks like a pretty nasty list. I'm a big fan of the unit of 10 (veteran) Intercessors with a thunder hammer. 40 shots is nothing to sneer at.

yeah I might land on being a successor chapter, depending on what the supplement provides, but that new scuplt is pretty nice...lol, which might decide it for me. 

[Typhus]

3 Aggressors with Flamestorm Gauntlets popping out of an Impulsor seems like a decent trick? With +1 to wound, and -1 AP during tactical doctrine, they can do a good amount of work. And double overwatch will incinerate anything sub-Knight-sized.

[ohgodsnakes]

Unfortunately, the impulsor can't carry Aggressors, which is really too bad, as it has the perfect carrying capacity (and durability) to get them to do what they actually need to do.

[Jack Shrapnel]

arent agressors gravis style models so take up two spots? or am I missing something else in there...? (likely)

[macstern]

Sept 23, 2019 9:14:37 GMT -5 Jack Shrapnel said:

arent agressors gravis style models so take up two spots? or am I missing something else in there...? (likely)

It actually says no jump packs or mark x gravis models, which is what agressors are.

[Jack Shrapnel]

Sept 23, 2019 9:31:25 GMT -5 macstern said:

Sept 23, 2019 9:14:37 GMT -5 Jack Shrapnel said:

arent agressors gravis style models so take up two spots? or am I missing something else in there...? (likely)

It actually says no jump packs or mark x gravis models, which is what agressors are.

ugh stupid battlescibe says it can carry mark x gravis but takes up two spots!

[Typhus]

Oof, that's rough.