Making room for Ghaz

[Malarks]

Hokay, so, this is the list I have been running, lately, and feel mighty comfy using it. I know and like what everything does, it has a wide board presence, is lacking in survival but makes up for it in other ways and is a good balance of "fun to use" and "effective at what it does".

But Ghaz is getting his new model and stats and I need to sort out what to drop to make room for him, Makari and maybe some more nobz or Meganobz. Any constructive input would be appreciated, please.



++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Orks) [10 PL, 7CP, 244pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle-forged CP [3CP]

Clan Kultur: Snakebites
There are only 2 Orks, in this Battalion, and I figured Snakebites would be both thematic (Weirdboys and Grots) and the 6+++ would be handy on the psykers, who can now wander away from the Painboy.

Detachment CP [5CP]

+ HQ +

Weirdboy [3 PL, -1CP, 62pts]: 2. Warpath, 4. Fists of Gork, Warphead
Gotta buff the punches of a punching army.
Why not 2 Da Jumps? If one dies, it is likely too late to worry about jumping another squad.

Weirdboy [3 PL, 62pts]: 3. Da Jump

+ Troops +

Gretchin [1 PL, 30pts]
. 10x Gretchin

Gretchin [1 PL, 30pts]
. 10x Gretchin

Gretchin [1 PL, 30pts]
. 10x Gretchin

+ Elites +

Da Red Gobbo [Legends] [1 PL, 30pts]
Can sometimes manage to frag an Intercessor with that pop-gun.
Debatably worth not taking, because of low number of Gretchin in the list.

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Orks) [76 PL, 3CP, 1,344pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Clan Kultur: Goffs
GOTTA KRUMP SUM 'EADS!
Natural 6's to hit in melee behave like DakkaDakkaDakka.

Detachment CP [5CP]

+ HQ +

Big Mek in Mega Armour [6 PL, 116pts]: Grot Oiler, Kustom Force Field, Kustom Shoota, Power Klaw
Because 5++ is nice.
Could maybe drop the Mega Armour and Grot and save 39 points.

Warboss [4 PL, 80pts]: Attack Squig, Brutal but Kunnin, Da Killa Klaw, Kustom Shoota, Power Klaw, Warlord
Punches like a Mak Trukk and has great buffs for Ork Infantry

+ Troops +

Boyz [11 PL, 227pts]
. Boss Nob: Choppa, Kustom Shoota (Index)
. Ork Boy W/ 'Eavy Weapon: Big Shoota
. Ork Boy W/ 'Eavy Weapon: Big Shoota
. Ork Boy W/ 'Eavy Weapon: Big Shoota
. 26x Ork Boy W/ ShootaInfantry
Math-hammer tells me this should be another Choppa squad, but sometimes the intimidation of their shooting is nice.
Give them 'Ard Boyz and drop them on an objective in cover.
Could save 15 points by dropping the Big Shootas.

Skarboyz is 1CP and makes the unit S5, add on a Warpath and that is potentially 150 attacks (before Goff trait kicks in)
Boyz [11 PL, -1CP, 210pts]: Skarboyz, 3x Tankbusta Bombs
. Boss Nob: Choppa, Slugga
. 29x Ork Boy W/ Slugga & Choppa

Boyz [11 PL, -1CP, 210pts]: Skarboyz, 2x Tankbusta Bombs
. Boss Nob: Choppa, Slugga
. 29x Ork Boy W/ Slugga & Choppa

+ Elites +

Meganobz [8 PL, 140pts]
. Boss Meganob w/ PK: Kustom Shoota, Power Klaw
. Meganob W/ PK: Kustom Shoota, Power Klaw
. Meganob W/ PK: Kustom Shoota, Power Klaw
. Meganob W/ PK: Kustom Shoota, Power Klaw
Sometimes you need a can-opener. A bit slow, but plenty of attention is given to them, which means Boyz are not getting shot.
But they are slow and lack an innate invul.

Nobz [14 PL, 160pts]
. Boss Nob: Big Choppa, Slugga
. Nob: Big Choppa, Slugga
. Nob: Choppa, Slugga
. Nob: Choppa, Slugga
. Nob: Choppa, Slugga
. Nob: Big Choppa, Slugga
. Nob: Big Choppa, Slugga
. Nob: Choppa, Slugga
. Nob: Choppa, Slugga
. Nob: Choppa, Slugga
When you need something tough's head krumped in, you send these lads in.
Usually keep them as the last of the screens for my HQ and piling on to something in the late-game.

Painboy [3 PL, 65pts]: Power Klaw
6+++ is nice and the Painboy can punch pretty hard and does a damned fine job of keeping characters alive (mostly stuffing Squig-hair in the ears and noses of Weirdboyz, as their brains start boiling)

Tankbustas [8 PL, 136pts]
. 8x Tankbusta: 8x Rokkit Launcha
This is a recent change and the idea is to, basically, Jump them in to the enemy's face and dump CP in to making A vehicle very dead. There is no expectation of their survival beyond the next round. If they can kill a dreadnought, I am happy. Could likely stand to have several more of them, really.
Would it be worth dropping these for another 3 MegaNobz?

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Orks) [21 PL, 5CP, 412pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Clan Kultur: Evil Sunz
Gotta go fast! (And still be able to hit on 5's, when we do)

Detachment CP [5CP]

+ HQ +

Kaptin Badrukk [5 PL, 88pts]: Ammo Runt
Surprisingly effective bit of fire-support.
I really should have Flash Gitz to take advantage of his ability.

Warboss on Warbike [5 PL, 100pts]: Attack Squig, Big Choppa
Very mobile Warboss. Pretty tough with plenty of wounds. Sometimes does work with the Big Choppa. Mostly a flanking assassin or supoorting a unit of Boyz whom are away from the main horde.

+ Troops +

Gretchin [1 PL, 30pts]
. 10x Gretchin

Gretchin [1 PL, 30pts]
. 10x Gretchin

Gretchin [1 PL, 30pts]
. 10x Gretchin

+ Fast Attack +
Best candidates for being dropped, but pretty handy harassment and "Linebreakers" with their Outriders abilities, but their shooting and melee are no better than Boyz and I do not need 3 of them for Linebreaker.

DeffKopta [2 PL, 44pts]
. DeffKopta: Kopta Rokkits

Warbuggies [Legends] [3 PL 43pts]
. Warbuggy: Twin Big Shoota

Wartrakk [Legends] [3 PL, 47pts]
. Wartrakk: Twin Big Shoota

++ Total: [107 PL, 15CP, 2,000pts] ++

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[Jack Shrapnel]

How many points do you need to free up to make the change? are you still wanting to run triple battalion?

Easiest drop is the warboss and nobz but I am not sure if that would give you enough points for Ghaz?

[Malarks]

The extra CP, of the third Battalion, is really nice (especially when I will have that many HQ already on the board) and helps keep things moving forward. Admittedly, the Evil Sunz Battalion is a good candidate for getting nuked... Maybe? ..Shit..

I have no idea how many points Ghaz is going to be but I am preparing by trying to work out what could be dropped, as things feel pretty solid, with this list.

"Do I even need a Ghaz?" (I mean, yeah, of course)
If this list is working, the way it is, do I want to be fucking around with shoe-horning Ghaz in there? What the list is missing, really, is some Flash Gitz or more Tankbustas and maybe a Waaagh banner.

Blergh. I have too much time to think and not enough experience to develop a really well-informed opinion on these things.

[raceygaming]

GHAZ is,285 pts. So pricey but he is playable. I think he is a good theme list unit.

[Malarks]

Some day it will be a nice addition to the collection, but I cannot justify the expense (at this time) and have been thinking I would be better off sticking to a list I know and feel comfortable with (trying to shuffle this list around has been more stressful than it should be)

Still... Maybe I can still try to make room for some dakka...

Heh.






(Plus, I really do not like the damage cap mechanic and see it as 'un-fun' and would not want to subject someone to it.)

[nekekami]

Mar 22, 2020 7:48:40 GMT -5 Malarks said:

(Plus, I really do not like the damage cap mechanic and see it as 'un-fun' and would not want to subject someone to it.)

It's the only thing he has in way of protection, not counting a 4++ save, that's going to stop him from being blasted off the table in one turn. With bigger things with more wounds dying in droves on turn 1 already, GW had to give Ghazzy something to try and keep him on the table.

Even so, I doubt it'll do much to save him past turn 2.

[Malarks]

I would trade 2 wounds and that damage cap for character immunity and to have the infantry keyword, again. *shrugs*
I am just /really/ worried by the appearance of a damage cap, in the game - I do not think it was a good addition to the system and am interested to see if/how Ghaz is hit with the FAQ.

Meanwhile, my regular warboss can still punch a knight in the face and is less of a target than most of the rest of my other characters. Besides, what this list needs is not a big stompy-boy, but some ranged dakka - Tankbustas or Flash Gitz, likely.