Thoughts on expanding my CSM

[brujonation]

Hi folks. I've been slowly plugging away painting up some CSM for about a year now. progress is slow but this is what I've manage to built and mostly paint up:


++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [67 PL, 11CP, 1,384pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

Legion: Alpha Legion

+ Stratagems +

Gifts of Chaos (1 Relic) [-1CP]

+ HQ +

Chaos Lord in Terminator Armour [6 PL, 110pts]: 3. Unholy Fortitude, Chainfist, Combi-melta, Mindveil, No Chaos Mark, Warlord

Sorcerer [6 PL, 115pts]: Bolt pistol, Death Hex, Drakescale Plate, Force stave, Jump pack, Mark of Tzeentch, Prescience

+ Troops +

Chaos Space Marines [8 PL, 180pts]: No Chaos Mark
. Aspiring Champion: Plasma pistol, Power axe
. 4x Marine w/ boltgun: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Boltgun, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. 3x Marine w/ chainsword: 3x Astartes chainsword, 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Frag & Krak grenades
. Marine w/ heavy or special weapon: Reaper chaincannon
. Marine w/ heavy or special weapon: Meltagun

Chaos Space Marines [8 PL, 166pts]: No Chaos Mark
. Aspiring Champion: Chainaxe, Plasma pistol
. 4x Marine w/ boltgun: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Boltgun, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. 3x Marine w/ chainsword: 3x Astartes chainsword, 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Frag & Krak grenades
. Marine w/ heavy or special weapon: Plasma gun
. Marine w/ heavy or special weapon: Autocannon

+ Elites +

Terminators [8 PL, 185pts]: No Chaos Mark
. Terminator: Chainfist, Combi-plasma
. Terminator: Chainfist, Combi-melta
. Terminator: Combi-melta, Power fist
. Terminator Champion: Combi-flamer, Power sword
. Terminator w/ Heavy Weapon: Power fist, Reaper autocannon

+ Fast Attack +

Raptors [5 PL, 110pts]: No Chaos Mark
. 2x Raptor: 2x Astartes chainsword, 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades
. Raptor Champion: Plasma pistol, Power fist
. Raptor w/ special weapon: Meltagun
. Raptor w/ special weapon: Plasma gun

+ Heavy Support +

Chaos Predator [9 PL, 178pts]: Combi-bolter, Havoc launcher, No Chaos Mark, Twin lascannon
. Two heavy bolters: 2x Heavy bolter

Obliterators [10 PL, 210pts]: No Chaos Mark
. 2x Obliterator: 2x Crushing fists, 2x Fleshmetal guns

Venomcrawler [7 PL, 130pts]: No Chaos Mark

++ Total: [67 PL, 11CP, 1,384pts] ++

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It's about 1400pts worth, and I still need to paint the hqs are the terminators, but thinking on how i should expand this up to 2000pts ish.

now i have a 12 man of berserkers, and 2 greater possessed and a master of possession, but the greater possesed/master of possession aren't my favorite choice.

I was thinking of putting in 10 berserkers and getting a rhino, and a helbrute w/ melta and a flamer fist. that will put this list to close to 1800pts.

think there's anything glaringly missing from here? thoughts or changes?

[Jack Shrapnel]

hmmmm

right now your opponent's anti-tank fire is pretty easy target priority - pred first, then if the oblits /termies are down them, otherwise the crawler.

zerkers in a rhino and a helbrute would add to that target saturation a bit, plus give you another close combat threat.

Then I'd honestly add more terminators - they're at such a good cost in the csm dex with some pretty efficient threat for the points.

Also I'd recommend boys before toys. Don't go too crazy with upgrades if you can net more bodies on the board to score you the points you need!

[Typhus]

My advice - wait for the new Codex. It's almost guaranteed to change a lot of legal loadouts (Death Guard and Adeptus Mechanicum wargear changed radically), and there's a good chance it comes with new Berzerkers and/or Noise Marines.

Plus, it'll give you a better idea of what's good, and synergistic.

[brujonation]

I don't think the csm codex is coming out any time soon. not being a downer, but the current one is fairly recent I think right? 2019ish. so I can see it being a bit further down the line. but yeah i kinda want to wait, but simultaneously....

more terminators couldn't hurt lol.

and the marine squads can be split into 4 troops if I go MSU, even though I've always liked running 10 mans. and with 200 points I can pop in another 10 with some gear.

I forgot I also have a squad of havocs but I mostly bought them to swap with my marine squads as heavy options.

The zerkers in a rhino are a nice close combat threat I agree. I miss having champions of khorne riding juggernauts. maybe they exist in the daemon codex idk. and I think I still have my old bannerbearer of khorne from way back.

[dave]

If we're looking at things realistically, the CSM book is one of the oldest still in play. That "2.0" edition was just a reprint with the new data sheets from vigilus added. Even GW said it wasn't necessary to buy it if you were buying the vigilus book. SM players are still the only ones expected to buy 2 (now 3) codexes per edition.

[Typhus]

Jun 4, 2021 10:55:59 GMT -5 dave said:

If we're looking at things realistically, the CSM book is one of the oldest still in play. That "2.0" edition was just a reprint with the new data sheets from vigilus added. Even GW said it wasn't necessary to buy it if you were buying the vigilus book. SM players are still the only ones expected to buy 2 (now 3) codexes per edition.

In fact, it is the oldest Codex still in print - tied with Grey Knights.

[Jack Shrapnel]

and yet still not announced amongst the next three codex releases!

[Typhus]

That's why I believe the new CSM book is going to come with new models.

Otherwise, why keep us waiting so long for our second Wound?

[brujonation]

Interesting. So v2.0 is basically a reprint, cool. Well that kinda brings my Hope's up a bit. But I bet demons will get their codex first lol.