|
|
Post by lastcranston on Jun 21, 2021 6:27:45 GMT -5
So this is attempt #2 to get a silent king list shaken out. I'd still have to buy ten of the warriors and the desthmarks to run this but what do you guys think?
++ Supreme Command Detachment +3CP (Necrons) [23 PL, 6CP, 450pts] ++
+ Configuration +
Detachment Command Cost [3CP]
Dynasty Choice: Dynasty: Mephrit
+ Primarch | Daemon Primarch | Supreme Commander +
The Silent King [23 PL, 3CP, 450pts]
. 2x Triarchal Menhir: 2x Annihilator Beam
++ Battalion Detachment -3CP (Necrons) [75 PL, 9CP, 1,550pts] ++
+ Configuration +
Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)
Detachment Command Cost [-3CP]
Dynasty Choice: Dynasty: Nephrekh
+ No Force Org Slot +
Bound Creation [2 PL, 40pts]
. Cryptothralls
. . 2x Cryptothrall: 2x Scouring Eye, 2x Scythed Limbs
Bound Creation [2 PL, 40pts]
. Cryptothralls
. . 2x Cryptothrall: 2x Scouring Eye, 2x Scythed Limbs
Dynastic Advisor [5 PL, 85pts]
. Psychomancer: Arkana: Dimensional Sanctum
+ HQ +
Chronomancer [4 PL, 80pts]: Aeonstave
Overlord [6 PL, 100pts]
. Tachyon Arrow and Hyperphase Glaive: Tachyon Arrow
Royal Warden [4 PL, 75pts]: Relic: Veil of Darkness
+ Troops +
Immortals [4 PL, 85pts]: Gauss Blaster, 5x Immortal
Immortals [4 PL, 85pts]: Gauss Blaster, 5x Immortal
Necron Warriors [12 PL, 260pts]
. 20x Necron Warrior (Gauss Flayer): 20x Gauss Flayer
Necron Warriors [12 PL, 260pts]
. 20x Necron Warrior (Gauss Reaper): 20x Gauss Reaper
Necron Warriors [12 PL, 260pts]
. 20x Necron Warrior (Gauss Reaper): 20x Gauss Reaper
+ Elites +
Deathmarks [8 PL, 180pts]
. 10x Deathmark: 10x Synaptic Disintegrator
++ Total: [98 PL, 15CP, 2,000pts] ++
Created with BattleScribe (https://battlescribe.net)
|
|
|
|
Post by Frosty the Pirate on Jun 21, 2021 7:08:50 GMT -5
It's going to obviously have an uphill battle against parking lot lists with a ton of vehicles, as the SK's Menhir's will get stripped away pretty quickly as they are pretty much your only source of an anti-tank like weapon on a non-character platform
On the upside, it's going to play Stranglehold/Primary incredibly well, a lot of the lower-tier codexes that struggle with primary are going to get absolutely dominated board control wise.
I would assume with such a board-control focused list you are intending to take Purge The Vermin as a secondary? I could see using Treasures of Aeons as well, but I dislike having my opponent dictate where I want to be on the board, and I feel like you could easily zone out at least 2 quarters fairly easily for 2/4 points per round.
|
|
|
|
Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jun 21, 2021 7:40:32 GMT -5
lots of scoring for primary for certain, have some action monkeys in there as well. necrons are at their strongest taking secondaries that don't really rely on your opponent at all (ie: not taking kill secondaries) and playing a punishing primary game.
I play silent king quite a bit and he certainly draws fire, however he benefits from obscuring, and you have nothing else that really needs to hide, so I'd ensure he isn't able to be seen first turn, then be selective on lines of sight for him and he can do some real work while being a right pain to remove.
the deathmarks are not something I use at all, but I can see where they can have a role.
|
|
|
|
Post by lastcranston on Jun 21, 2021 8:32:57 GMT -5
Deathmarks have been advised right now since deepstrike is getting more prevalent. I don't expect to see a lot of admech locally but they're handy against anything that deepstrikes
|
|
|
|
Post by voodoo on Jun 21, 2021 9:01:01 GMT -5
I'll echo Shannon's assessment, lots of scoring; and the huge warrior blobs are certainly a pain to remove when properly supported.
I will also add that the only thing to draw any real firepower is going to be the silent king, yes he can hide, but eventually he'll have to get out there and do something. Your warrior blobs are going to get absolutely hammered, as they're too small to hide; and need to get forward to work the primary game.
I would almost remove the psychomancer in favour of a technomancer. That little bit of support behind your warriors will keep them from being so hung out to dry, and will significantly increase their effectivenss. The royal warden for the fallback and shoot is nice, as is the movement buff; and the Nehphrek movement shenanigans are cool, but almost better served by Scarabs, as they can really jink like cray around the board.
|
|
|
|
Post by Frosty the Pirate on Jun 21, 2021 9:03:15 GMT -5
Deathmarks have been advised right now since deepstrike is getting more prevalent. I don't expect to see a lot of admech locally but they're handy against anything that deepstrikes This is exactly the sentiment I see setting in among list builders atm. It's almost like there's a "deepstrike slot" in force org since so many armies have a "1CP - Deepstrike a Unit" strat. So it's becoming almost universally expected. I would forsee that things like Infiltrators, Deathmarks, etc will be swinging back into the meta in full force soon as people start to realize it. Deepstrike defense is now a checkbox for all-comers lists, coming soon to a board near you. It's exactly this reason I'm starting to think about how to lean on deepstrike less for some of my lists, and why I think your choice of 10 Deathmarks is an excellent one. |
|
|
|
Post by lastcranston on Jun 21, 2021 9:38:07 GMT -5
I'd love to fit something in to draw fire from the silent king I'm just not sure what?. The concept with the psychomancer is to try to deepstrike and strip obsec but it is a lot of scoring for that to feel needed.
|
|
|
|
Post by voodoo on Jun 21, 2021 9:53:07 GMT -5
Warriors are good at holding objectives, like... super good. I know that you're sold on the movement of Nephrek, but the Super Obsec custom trait is really an awesome bang for your buck ability. 20 (counts as 40) warriors on an objective, plus your Immortals counting as 10 sitting in your backfield will be even tougher to shift off, or be "taken" by a fast moving troop unit.
As for adding in something to draw fire, sadly; you'd have to put in a C'tan or another big bad, which your list doesn't have the easy room for. With a bit more support for the warriors (techno and maybe a chrono), they become a serious threat to leave alone. You've got 60 of them after all, you've flexed pretty hard into them as a big board presence. Some extra supports will turn them into a bigger threat that people can't just casually whittle down after spending all of their big shots on the Silent King.
Forcing target priority isn't always about having multiple high value targets, it's often focing someone to choose between killing am odel that can possibly kill them, or your blobs that will just blanket the board given time.
|
|
|
|
Post by lastcranston on Jun 21, 2021 10:39:06 GMT -5
There is a chronomancer already for one until of warriors. The thing selling me on nephrek is less the code and more the deepstrike stratagem for placing warriors directly onto the table where I want them. To fit another big threat I'd probably have to drop quite a bit. I haven't really left myself any easy places to trim points. I could cut the Immortals and just have thralls sit out of los but that still leaves a fair amount of room. I'd have to cut either two hq units or the deathmarks and I rather like the deathmarks
|
|
|
|
Post by Frosty the Pirate on Jun 21, 2021 11:56:27 GMT -5
You might honestly just be better off playing 5 games with it as is before you debate any changes. Like you said there's no easy trimmings to pickup, and you'd have to remove multiple units/characters at a time to make any hugely meaningful changes, so perhaps a little table-time is what's needed to expose what doesn't work.
I really like the "no changes until I've played X games" method for list evals because it brings the best and worst units to the surface quite quickly usually. By time you get the final game of the set you usually are like "where I am gunna place ____ cus they keep sucking...." and it's super easy to evaluate after usually.
Through, getting games played is honestly the hard part these days....
|
|
|
|
Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jun 21, 2021 18:01:31 GMT -5
TTS... Just sayin... It's not as good as being on a real table, but it beats spending a bunch of money and time on a list only to find you have to change it
|
|
|
|
Post by voodoo on Jun 21, 2021 20:00:08 GMT -5
TTS... Just sayin... It's not as good as being on a real table, but it beats spending a bunch of money and time on a list only to find you have to change it Don't I know it!!! |
|
