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Post by LizardTau on Jan 15, 2012 18:46:23 GMT -5
FIGHT!!!
LOL jk. but seriously for the tourney i was going to bring a land raider crusader but was wondering would it be better to take a storm raven. I was gong to bring some terminators, with halberds, one with a banner, and a libby, i was thinking of using the shrouding.
So first turn i would ether move the land raider 12 inches pop smoke and then use the shouding to make it have a 3+ cover. then after the first turn it will just move around and shoot what ever it can (if its alive lol)
Or move the storm raven 18 inches for the cover save with the shrouding to give it a 3+ cover, but i can do it each turn as well as using its multi melta with machine spirit.
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Post by danydaigle24 on Jan 15, 2012 18:47:55 GMT -5
I know I prefer a Storm Raven but lots of people prefer land raider
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Post by trevor on Jan 15, 2012 20:14:54 GMT -5
well the main purpose of the vehicle is to transport models the storm raven has more storage capacity(cinda), and lower armour value while the raider is slower. for me its the raider but thats just because ive only had experience with a raider, due to the fact vinnila marines cant use storm ravens. tacticly i think it is a toss up realy as long as the storm raven has at least 1 turn to move it has basicly done its job were as the raider needs 2 turns of movement. if you get 1st turn with the storm raven you can go 24" getting you well within strikeing distance, even if the vehicle gets distroyed in the apponents shooting phase, ( unless playing eldar or somthing with alot of speed that will run like cowerds...  ). the draw back to this is that if you dont get first turn and your playing a army with any decent shooting you have a nice big target on that stupid flying base that an auto cannon can pen ;D. the enemy is going to shoot at it if they can i know its one of my main targets when i play against them. not because the vehicle is a big threat but because the models inside are. |
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Post by LizardTau on Jan 15, 2012 20:31:42 GMT -5
true, i have used the landraider, i do find them a little over priced but they work ok when they work. I will have to play test both ways of the list (since i now own a storm raven)
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Post by Frosty the Pirate on Jan 15, 2012 20:46:34 GMT -5
I see this as a decision based on what the rest of the list is like. If the Storm Raven is the only "fast" element of the list, it might draw even more fire because it's going to be seen as your spearhead, where as a land raider is more like a sledge hammer, backing up your rhinos/chimeras/razors.
You should also think about what your going to do with the vehicle afterwards. The stormraven really gives you a highly mobile vehicle melter, where the land raider (assuming you take a crusader, since you said termies) can at best mess up some infantry or AV10/11.
Personally I'd pick the Storm Raven, but I love being fast.
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Post by LizardTau on Jan 16, 2012 11:08:26 GMT -5
yes im using a crusader. so id have to drop 2 terminators to take the storm raven, but with the extra points i can pick up a dreadnought with assault cannon and psybolt ammo. Ill test both list this weekend, never used the raven as i said so i will have to see if i like it better.
One question, what do people think would be the best load out, i want to use multi melta for sure and i was thinking the tl plasma since i dont have many templates in the army
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Post by danydaigle24 on Jan 16, 2012 12:13:28 GMT -5
I found lascannon is better because most of the time you want to blow up transport or tank with that
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Post by BewareOfTom on Jan 16, 2012 12:45:21 GMT -5
yeah, I like storm raven more, I like moving flatout getting a cover save and still shooting a multimelta XD and being GK having the libby cast shrouding for a 3+ cover  |
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Post by LizardTau on Jan 16, 2012 12:51:57 GMT -5
yeah i was thinking that would be really good. the only thing i was thinking is if you dont get first turn you need to put it in reserve or its going to get blowed up good
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Post by Frosty the Pirate on Jan 16, 2012 19:59:35 GMT -5
Yeah you could easily just reserve and deepstrike it if you don't get first turn. or against shorter ranged enemies simply deploy it out of their threat range and use your speed to close the distance.
I would be taking the multi-melta and assault cannon. However I can see how the Lascannon would be an excellent choice (I'm addicted to things that Rend, especially if you can Psybolt them. ;P)
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Post by LizardTau on Jan 16, 2012 20:03:37 GMT -5
i normally would psybolt it but for some reason psybolt on a storm raven is 4 times more then any other vehicles the same price as the upgrade on a unit of infantry
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Post by BewareOfTom on Jan 16, 2012 22:16:51 GMT -5
its because it can have hurricane bolters, TL assault cannon AND TL heavy bolters all benefitting from it, so yeah like 5 pts / weapon (sponson as two) lol
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Post by LizardTau on Jan 17, 2012 6:11:39 GMT -5
ok that would make sence to me if they just said it was 5 points per weapon, but dreadnoughts can have 2 weapons with it or a land raider crusaders can have two sponsons, an auto cannon and a storm bolter with it (if you add a strom bolter) and they pay the same price, just seems weird to me like someone said last minute, oh the storm raven is OP lol
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Post by calitom on Jan 17, 2012 6:17:53 GMT -5
As far as the argument of LR vs SR, it all depends for me if you're able to get a second one. If running solo, I prefer LR, if running in a pair I prefer SR.
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Post by danydaigle24 on Jan 17, 2012 7:36:20 GMT -5
Im using the StormRaven for fire power mostly its so good to destroy tank... and I dont think two is good its way to expensive and you need two preds in heavy... Im talking for BA I dont know for Grey Knight...
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). the draw back to this is that if you dont get first turn and your playing a army with any decent shooting you have a nice big target on that stupid flying base that an auto cannon can pen ;D. the enemy is going to shoot at it if they can i know its one of my main targets when i play against them. not because the vehicle is a big threat but because the models inside are. 
