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Post by raceygaming on Jul 4, 2017 17:04:13 GMT -5
Fair enough. We can also wait and see what the bigger tournaments bring out. I mean if every top 10 army has a under strength unit to gain advantages then we will know its broken and silly. If they don't make a difference at all in high level competitive play then maybe it actually not an issue at all.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jul 4, 2017 21:33:50 GMT -5
yeah pretty much... I mean we're all just learning over again at this point... so I'm just going to go with "is everyone having fun?" for the first tourney as a measure of success
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Post by nekekami on Jul 5, 2017 1:20:54 GMT -5
I don't agree at all. I think it's setting a bad precedent, and it's far easier to simply deal with it now.
But it's not my tournament. There's already enough to see, and shake your head at in regard to the competitive scene, so we'll see what happens as things continue to develop I guess.
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Post by czarziggy on Jul 5, 2017 4:35:18 GMT -5
I might have missed it but do we need to e-mail in our lists or just have them printed and ready to go for the day of?
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Post by LizardTau on Jul 5, 2017 6:15:16 GMT -5
I might have missed it but do we need to e-mail in our lists or just have them printed and ready to go for the day of? Just printed off the day of. Sent from my SM-T330NU using proboards
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Post by LizardTau on Jul 5, 2017 6:41:33 GMT -5
For the understrenght units I belive it's going to end up being a moot point. Since you can only bring one unit of that type with all the models you have.
So if you bring a grot. You have one grot and no others in the army.
The only time I could see it being usefully is one suiside terminator or crisis suit and then you can't have any other terminators or crisis suits in the army.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jul 5, 2017 8:16:51 GMT -5
I don't agree at all. I think it's setting a bad precedent, and it's far easier to simply deal with it now. But it's not my tournament. There's already enough to see, and shake your head at in regard to the competitive scene, so we'll see what happens as things continue to develop I guess. well what would you suggest then?
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Post by colinecrontyr on Jul 5, 2017 9:37:54 GMT -5
Single model units for under-strength will be easy targets for First Blood and killpoints, which can swing a victory from or to your hands. 99 times out of 100 it won't matter though.
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Post by raceygaming on Jul 5, 2017 15:03:41 GMT -5
Single model units for under-strength will be easy targets for First Blood and killpoints, which can swing a victory from or to your hands. 99 times out of 100 it won't matter though. Ya and it mean its only 1 more body so its not really going to help hold objective either. I guess it onlt really helps to boost command points.
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Post by nekekami on Jul 5, 2017 22:23:51 GMT -5
well what would you suggest then? I've already said my opinion on it. Regardless of the pros or cons on either side of it, it's a rule that doesn't have any business in competetive play, which includes tournaments. Just because it's an "intro" tournament, or anything else, doesn't mean that it's unrealistic to hold everyone to at least field complete armies. Maybe a the absolute most, it could be allowed in specific, case-by-case situations, because yes there are new people. But last time I checked, GW doesn't sell under strength units.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jul 5, 2017 22:32:07 GMT -5
...hence why I said if a new player needed to do this, they should talk to me and I'd look at it on a case by case basis...
but no, there should not be an advantage to doing so.
and yes, GW does sell units at weird numbers (necron warriors for example are 12 to a box, genestealers come 8 to a box, etc.) so it COULD happen for someone just starting out... if that is the case, and they talk to me about it, I'll either be able to make an exception or perhaps get some things borrowed for them if need be.
If it's someone who's been playing longer than I have and they want the extra +3 command points by bringing four single model units... well no... that's not going to fly.
again, just trying to be inclusive to brand new players (I talked to someone last week who literally did not have enough models assembled to play yet). And this might not even be an issue - as no one has actually asked me if they could field an under strength unit yet.
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Post by nekekami on Jul 6, 2017 0:29:20 GMT -5
...hence why I said if a new player needed to do this, they should talk to me and I'd look at it on a case by case basis... I didn't see you say that, so that's my bad. But yeah, the point is that GW doesn't sell you less than you need to field a unit. Odd numbers maybe, but just because you have a box of 8 Genestealers, doesn't mean you field them as two units of four, right? This is just another part of "just because you can, doesn't mean you should." But, I digress. As long as it stays as it should be, and used as intended, and not just kept open as a blanket rule, then I'm fine with it. Really, it's just me still on about us having to take steps in implementing comp into the scene again: I still don't trust anyone to think of the rest of the community in regards to this kind of potential fuckery.
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Post by colinecrontyr on Jul 6, 2017 2:40:18 GMT -5
Obits come in squads of 3 minimum now, but they still need to be bought individually because GW hasn't updated their models in years. Necron Scarabs come only in boxes of Warriors, but not enough for a full squad. There are absolutely other cases that I can't remember.
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Post by shadow0908 on Jul 7, 2017 8:41:14 GMT -5
looks like ill be there boss gave me the day off!
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jul 7, 2017 10:29:32 GMT -5
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