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Post by fritzthedwarf on Jan 3, 2018 16:18:11 GMT -5
Couple questions: First, by the player pack models have to be painted to 3 colour min but do not have to be based (of course you will get less points). Is this correct as I thought I heard someone say models had to be based (though this is not what the player pack indicates)?
Second. Ref points for wargear. I heard that a space marine player buying tac marines, for example, has to pay for the model and then for the wargear it comes with standard on top (not just the replacing gear with upgrades). As a tyranid player I don't think this works that way. So I wanted to ask this: if, for example, I buy a tyranid warrior model that comes equipped with scything talons and a devourer (for 20pts I think), do I have to pay for the scything talons and devourer on top of the 20 pt model? I don't think so and thought I only have to pay extra if switching out the kit the model comes with - example if I upgraded the devourer to a deathspitter I would pay 5 extra points so total of 25 pts. After hearing the space marine story I just want to be sure I was doing this correctly. What do other payers think - esp tyranid players?
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jan 3, 2018 17:53:06 GMT -5
As per the player pack, you don't expressly have to have your bases painted, however this is probably one of the easiest ways to get free painting points! (white glue + sand = fully based) so I'd highly recommend it.
But you'd still be allowed to play without fully based. The models themselves though - yeah gotta be painted.
well as a tyranid player, yes it DOES work that way. Some wargear is free (scything talons for example) but devourers etc. all have a point cost associated with them. three tyranid warriors with scything talons and devourers are 72 points. 20 points per warrior, 0 points per scything talons, and 4 points per devourer. Wargear is only free if the point cost for the wargear is free - otherwise you have to pay the points. A warrior with double scything talons for example is 20 points.
Battlescribe is fully free and fully updated for tyranids - makes the process MUCH easier. I highly recommend it.
8th does change the formula for building units and it takes a bit to get used to. But wargear is NOT included in a model's point cost (unless it's free of course - like scything talons)
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Post by LizardTau on Jan 3, 2018 18:47:24 GMT -5
for the mission pack,
voidspan point: anti gravity i assume it is suppose to be the fly keyword not the flyer keyword.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jan 3, 2018 19:32:53 GMT -5
for the mission pack, voidspan point: anti gravity i assume it is suppose to be the fly keyword not the flyer keyword. yes... it's supposed to be FLY... it is now corrected
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Post by fritzthedwarf on Jan 3, 2018 21:03:10 GMT -5
As per the player pack, you don't expressly have to have your bases painted, however this is probably one of the easiest ways to get free painting points! (white glue + sand = fully based) so I'd highly recommend it. But you'd still be allowed to play without fully based. The models themselves though - yeah gotta be painted. well as a tyranid player, yes it DOES work that way. Some wargear is free (scything talons for example) but devourers etc. all have a point cost associated with them. three tyranid warriors with scything talons and devourers are 72 points. 20 points per warrior, 0 points per scything talons, and 4 points per devourer. Wargear is only free if the point cost for the wargear is free - otherwise you have to pay the points. A warrior with double scything talons for example is 20 points. Battlescribe is fully free and fully updated for tyranids - makes the process MUCH easier. I highly recommend it. 8th does change the formula for building units and it takes a bit to get used to. But wargear is NOT included in a model's point cost (unless it's free of course - like scything talons) Ok thanks. If that is the way to do it then I will adjust my lists accordingly. However, doesn't that seem a very poor way to do that? Why not list a warrior with no gear for 20 pts rather than say something like 'a warrior comes with scything talons and a devourer' if you have to buy everything anyways? Wouldn't it have been better to say a warrior comes with 2 sets of scything talons since they cost zero pts and therefore wouldn't change the 20pt cost for the warrior? Then you buy whatever other equip you want. Oh GW, you cannot help yourself. Oh and ref basing - yes it looks better and I plan to try to get them done but I wanted to be sure what the rule was in case I'm behind.
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Post by voodoo on Jan 3, 2018 21:11:04 GMT -5
As per the player pack, you don't expressly have to have your bases painted, however this is probably one of the easiest ways to get free painting points! (white glue + sand = fully based) so I'd highly recommend it. But you'd still be allowed to play without fully based. The models themselves though - yeah gotta be painted. well as a tyranid player, yes it DOES work that way. Some wargear is free (scything talons for example) but devourers etc. all have a point cost associated with them. three tyranid warriors with scything talons and devourers are 72 points. 20 points per warrior, 0 points per scything talons, and 4 points per devourer. Wargear is only free if the point cost for the wargear is free - otherwise you have to pay the points. A warrior with double scything talons for example is 20 points. Battlescribe is fully free and fully updated for tyranids - makes the process MUCH easier. I highly recommend it. 8th does change the formula for building units and it takes a bit to get used to. But wargear is NOT included in a model's point cost (unless it's free of course - like scything talons) Ok thanks. If that is the way to do it then I will adjust my lists accordingly. However, doesn't that seem a very poor way to do that? Why not list a warrior with no gear for 20 pts rather than say something like 'a warrior comes with scything talons and a devourer' if you have to buy everything anyways? Wouldn't it have been better to say a warrior comes with 2 sets of scything talons since they cost zero pts and therefore wouldn't change the 20pt cost for the warrior? Then you buy whatever other equip you want. Oh GW, you cannot help yourself. Oh and ref basing - yes it looks better and I plan to try to get them done but I wanted to be sure what the rule was in case I'm behind. It's that way for literally everything aside from special characters. Plague Marines 17 - base 0 - boltgun 0 - plague knife 0 - Blight Grenades & krak grenades 17 total Rubric marine 18 - base 2 - inferno boltgun 20 total It does take a bit of getting used to but it's the way it is now so just try to enjoy the adjustment like we have all attempted to. Lol
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jan 3, 2018 21:38:39 GMT -5
...."enjoy"....
lol
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Post by ohgodsnakes on Jan 3, 2018 21:42:28 GMT -5
I really haven't had much if an issue adjusting, but that may be because I was already used to paying for weapons and wargear on battlesuits.
I also hardly ever use the book to build lists anymore. I just build stuff in BattleScribe. If it's for a tournament I just make sure to double check all the values.
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Post by voodoo on Jan 4, 2018 18:26:40 GMT -5
51 Days and counting!
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Post by raceygaming on Jan 4, 2018 21:32:11 GMT -5
I really haven't had much if an issue adjusting, but that may be because I was already used to paying for weapons and wargear on battlesuits. I also hardly ever use the book to build lists anymore. I just build stuff in BattleScribe. If it's for a tournament I just make sure to double check all the values. In the first 6 months that had 4 top 3 place finishing tournament list be D.Q in some major tournaments. So yes double and triple check your list. I doubt nexus will D.Q people but I'm sure if an error occurs the list will be corrected by losing points until you are back in.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jan 4, 2018 21:52:54 GMT -5
I really haven't had much if an issue adjusting, but that may be because I was already used to paying for weapons and wargear on battlesuits. I also hardly ever use the book to build lists anymore. I just build stuff in BattleScribe. If it's for a tournament I just make sure to double check all the values. In the first 6 months that had 4 top 3 place finishing tournament list be D.Q in some major tournaments. So yes double and triple check your list. I doubt nexus will D.Q people but I'm sure if an error occurs the list will be corrected by losing points until you are back in. DQ seems a little too harsh.... I was just planning on bringing a hobby knife and scraping the extra points off your models if you were a little over... you know... some wargear here and there off a nicely painted model is good motivation to double check things right? (I'm also double checking lists when you send them in... if there's a problem I'll just let you know beforehand)
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Post by Typhus on Jan 5, 2018 3:01:39 GMT -5
Just glancing over the Mission Pack - in End Game, the special rule "This is for Jimmy!" makes reference to a leadership check. Is this leadership check supposed to be modified in any way, or is it intentional that almost every unit can be assumed to automatically pass?
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jan 5, 2018 5:17:50 GMT -5
Just glancing over the Mission Pack - in End Game, the special rule "This is for Jimmy!" makes reference to a leadership check. Is this leadership check supposed to be modified in any way, or is it intentional that almost every unit can be assumed to automatically pass? holdover from last edition... it should specify a leadership test by rolling 2D6, passing if the unit rolls under it's leadership value. EDIT: Mission pack has been corrected to reflect this.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jan 5, 2018 13:13:55 GMT -5
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jan 7, 2018 7:37:33 GMT -5
As the player pack is posted, you may have noticed that the ascending smite "nerf" is not in there. (casting value of smite going up by one for each progressive casting)
The reason for this is that it is a beta rule and not an actual rule as of yet. We're going with main rulebook, chapter approved and FAQ's.
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