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Post by LizardTau on Apr 17, 2018 19:43:25 GMT -5
That's true. And it won't hurt my tau army. Actually no deep striking first turn will only help them for this tournament.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Apr 17, 2018 21:20:03 GMT -5
We're implementing the beta rules... they're the rules.
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Post by LizardTau on Apr 17, 2018 21:32:53 GMT -5
Well no that's why they are beta other wise they would have just called then rules. But it is good to test them during a more laid back tournament then during something like the club champs.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Apr 17, 2018 21:36:46 GMT -5
guess what... they're the rules.
Reece was pretty clear that Adepticon, LVO, NOVA etc. are all implementing fully immediately.
with a couple of tweaks (like the last beta rules) these are the rules, so it's best to get used to them.
so for all the tournaments starting with the Great Crusade, these are being applied.
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Post by LizardTau on Apr 17, 2018 22:14:06 GMT -5
I did not mean it to come off like I didn't think these rules would become the actual rules. So far all beta rules have become rules with smite getting a tweak.
And i do think that these will be for the better of the game with some armies having a harder time of them then others.
I was just more commenting on that if gw thought the rules were perfect they would have just made them rules. Rather then saying hey try these and give us feedback on how we can tweak them and put them into the game.
Sorry if it came off rude by any means.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Apr 18, 2018 5:43:04 GMT -5
not at all Jason, no worries... I just wanted to make the point that even though they're "Beta" all the majors are implementing immediately, and like the last "beta" rules it's an inevitability that these will be in some shape or form, hitting our actual rules at the next update. So for local tournies, much like the last round, we'll need to implement them right away so that we're getting used to them as quickly as possible. I'm not actually a fan of some of these (the unchargeable ruins thing for certain) but the ones I am the most annoyed with aren't even the beta rules...lol...but I think that overall these changes are very likely good for the game, so in the end I'll just deal with the changes just like everyone else has to. It's going to be a bit of a learning curve, but we've got this! I mean it's not like GW haven't spent an entire year updating / changing the rules a LOT - be careful what you wish for eh?
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Post by Frosty the Pirate on Apr 18, 2018 5:56:40 GMT -5
Well, the unchargable ruins levels I think isn't as strong as it looks imo, if your unit fits exactly on a floor, what happens when you take a couple casualties from shooting and some space opens up?
In theory you'd have to fill a middle floor, and then put more dudes on the top floor and take casualties from the top floor first. But then if the top isn't full you just charge that.
Personally, I'm quite glad for these rules changes, even if it does mess with a lot of my builds, and I always felt that turn 1 deepstrike was quite nasty in the few games I've had it done to me. I really like the restriction they applied.
The meta is going to need a few months to sort out this one for sure.
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Post by question on Apr 18, 2018 7:24:37 GMT -5
Let the re-writing of lists begin!!
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Apr 18, 2018 7:47:08 GMT -5
Well, the unchargable ruins levels I think isn't as strong as it looks imo, if your unit fits exactly on a floor, what happens when you take a couple casualties from shooting and some space opens up? In theory you'd have to fill a middle floor, and then put more dudes on the top floor and take casualties from the top floor first. But then if the top isn't full you just charge that. Personally, I'm quite glad for these rules changes, even if it does mess with a lot of my builds, and I always felt that turn 1 deepstrike was quite nasty in the few games I've had it done to me. I really like the restriction they applied. The meta is going to need a few months to sort out this one for sure. take casualties out of the middle of the blob? you cannot charge through models.
EDIT: I'll just add here that there is this silly picture going around about a space marine standing on a barrel (on otherwise open ground) who cannot be assaulted due to the barrel being 1.1" off the ground. Don't try this in the tournament k? a barrel isn't a ruin. It'll get ruled against you.
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Post by LizardTau on Apr 18, 2018 7:48:34 GMT -5
I agree all the rules are pretty good. I know some people won't like the deep strike thing. It is suppose to help alpha strike and it will but i think it will hurt cc armies who deep strike more. But that's my personal opinion.
Yes the ruins one is the one I like the lease. If coherency is 2 inches horizontally and 6 inches vertically. And cc is 1 inch horizontally then why not 3 inchs vertically (one level)
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Post by Trickster Raven on Apr 22, 2018 17:22:27 GMT -5
A quick question about the rules for this. Since this tournament is a little less formal, is some limited use of proxies allowed? The list I currently have prepared includes 10 striking scorpions. Presently, I only have 6. The remainder are on order, but I'm not sure if they'll arrive in time and was wondering if I should prepare a backup list, or if I could just sub 4 different models.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Apr 22, 2018 18:07:21 GMT -5
if you have to proxy a couple models in a squad it's no big deal... so long as they're similar
ie: "this striking scorpion model is actually a stormraven" - not allowed
"these four harlequins in the unit are actually striking scorpions like the rest of the squad" - yeah that's fine
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Post by Trickster Raven on Apr 22, 2018 18:29:28 GMT -5
if you have to proxy a couple models in a squad it's no big deal... so long as they're similar ie: "this striking scorpion model is actually a stormraven" - not allowed "these four harlequins in the unit are actually striking scorpions like the rest of the squad" - yeah that's fine Cool. Thanks Shannon!
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Post by diocletian67 on May 9, 2018 13:25:48 GMT -5
Just to be clear, a battalion will provide us +5 cp for this tourney then?
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on May 9, 2018 14:14:40 GMT -5
Just to be clear, a battalion will provide us +5 cp for this tourney then? Yep! All FAQ rules are in place, including all beta rules for our tournies.
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