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Post by thesanityassassin on Apr 15, 2018 13:44:01 GMT -5
Hmm, my Clubs list doesnt need much modification to fit in here which is handy.
Concentrate a few units I broke into small squads to hit a Brigade, trade 2 barebones Chaos Lords for a Sorcerer with gear, and the second Scorpius for a Hell Blade or something and it's pretty much there. I dunno if thats a bad sign for this list being nasty, or a good sign for my Clubs lists not being spammy.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Apr 15, 2018 14:25:56 GMT -5
thought you had a ton of cultists for your club list?
only allowed one duplication of a single troop if you've maxed out all other troop options
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Post by LizardTau on Apr 15, 2018 14:30:35 GMT -5
On retrospect. And investigation. Perhaps change my idea to you can only have two identical keywords I currently can’t work on this right now. It. Do think there is an easy way of figuring this out that makes sense. I think we are n to something That will make it what Shannon said. As all units will have their unit type and their base name. So for landraiders will have landraider and vehicle. Dreads will have dread and vehicle. Tac squad will have infantry and tac squad. And so on
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Post by ohgodsnakes on Apr 15, 2018 15:22:09 GMT -5
2 keyword limit would not work for T'au. Tons of suits have the BATTLESUIT, FLY, JETPACK, and even MONSTER keywords.
Heck, dark eldar, eldar and necrons would only be able to bring one vehicle, as almost all their tanks have the VEHICLE and FLY keywords.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Apr 15, 2018 15:26:14 GMT -5
yeah that two keyword won't work...
basically it's those unique keywords that you need to pay attention to...
so dreadnought, landraider, rune priest, librarian etc.
so if you're thinking tau you can have one commander, one unit of crisis, one unit of broadsides, one kroot, one firewarrior, a single duplicate troop, one riptide, one ghostkeel... etc. etc.
I think we kinda know when we're trying to skirt the spirit of it... lol "but my swarmlord and hive tyrant and flyrant are all different kinds of hive tyrants!"... yeah no... highlander!!!!
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Post by LizardTau on Apr 15, 2018 15:35:39 GMT -5
Yep I agree.
Easiest way to do it.
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Post by thesanityassassin on Apr 15, 2018 16:27:30 GMT -5
thought you had a ton of cultists for your club list? only allowed one duplication of a single troop if you've maxed out all other troop options I had a bunch of 10 man squads, but you can take up to 40 in one squad, so I'd take 2 squads of 20 and a squad of Marines in the troop section.
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Post by raceygaming on Apr 15, 2018 18:27:49 GMT -5
That is going to be rough stuff for Tau and thier drones... You can have 1 unit of 12.
Can tau units still take drone upgrades, then tho upon deployment they spent into a "new unit".
ex. I bring 4 crisis suits and each can bring 2 drones so I have 8 drones and 4 suits. Those drones that are part of the unit. I can then bring a fast attack slot of 12 drones as well even tho once deployed I will have 2x units of shield drones. one of 8 and one of 12.
This being similar to the issue that an artillary unit will have. bring a single unit but upon deployment it spilts into multi gun/ crew units
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Post by LizardTau on Apr 15, 2018 18:42:12 GMT -5
That is going to be rough stuff for Tau and thier drones... You can have 1 unit of 12. Can tau units still take drone upgrades, then tho upon deployment they spent into a "new unit". ex. I bring 4 crisis suits and each can bring 2 drones so I have 8 drones and 4 suits. Those drones that are part of the unit. I can then bring a fast attack slot of 12 drones as well even tho once deployed I will have 2x units of shield drones. one of 8 and one of 12. This being similar to the issue that an artillary unit will have. bring a single unit but upon deployment it spilts into multi gun/ crew units I believe it's still only allowed one so no add on as he give the example of carnafexi even tho they can come on a unit of three and separate you can only take one single carnafex Sent from my SM-G903W using proboards
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Post by thesanityassassin on Apr 15, 2018 18:55:13 GMT -5
Oh shit, yeah Artillery split up.
*switches Rapier batteries to...something else*
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Apr 15, 2018 19:10:05 GMT -5
one unit of drones
one artillery model
it really makes you think outside the box a bit on list construction.
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Post by raceygaming on Apr 15, 2018 19:26:20 GMT -5
Ya that really makes it hard on some stuff, like Ork mek guns you can get 1 of them. Things like tau vehicles are going to have to take upgrades to replace the gun drones like on hammerheads, devilfish, skyrays cause once you get your unit of drones you can't have drones else where that can form a squad. So IF you can only take ONE unit of drones for tau you have to choose one of:
Ghost keels (comes with stealth drones) Bomber (comes with interceptor drones) Piranha's(comes with gun drones) Remora drones Heavy gun drones Sheild drones Gun drones marker drones all pathfinder special drones
That is a big chunk of stuff, I'm going to have to really think about this.
P.S Assuming Breaches and Strike fire warriors the same deal so tau only have 2 troop choices.
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Post by LizardTau on Apr 15, 2018 19:45:31 GMT -5
The drones that come different then the ones in the fast attack would be an exception. But yes no gun drones on a hammer head if you take a unit of drones.
As it is ment for you to not spam units not for it to make you not use half your army.
Also the breacher team assume different then the strike team. As the breachers would be breachers and the strike squad would be strike squad. It's like space marines although in different slots tac marines and devastators are the same just different weapon options.
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Post by southstafford on Apr 15, 2018 20:42:49 GMT -5
If I took Bjorn, could I also take Murderfang or not? As they are both dreadnoughts, same would be a normal dreadnought and a venerable dread, their stats are different.
Or Pask in a leman Russ punisher, could I also take a Russ as a heavy support choice?
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Post by Khalai on Apr 15, 2018 21:10:33 GMT -5
If I took Bjorn, could I also take Murderfang or not? As they are both dreadnoughts, same would be a normal dreadnought and a venerable dread, their stats are different. Or Pask in a leman Russ punisher, could I also take a Russ as a heavy support choice? Those are either or as discussed above. Dreadnought would be a unique unit; thus everything that has that keyword is unique. Same with Leman Russ. This tournament is specifically designed to make you use different things. Especially with the Tau Drone and general Artillery rulings above, using special characters will not let you get around that.
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