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Mordheim?
Dec 10, 2021 21:25:58 GMT -5
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Post by artonas on Dec 10, 2021 21:25:58 GMT -5
There are more races outside the starter warbands as well as some good fan made ones as well. I’m not sure if the rulebook given is the living rulebook but if you google the game you should find all the different warbands
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Post by StepwisePilot on Dec 10, 2021 21:26:47 GMT -5
The living rulebook had a few varieties of human, undead, and Skaven. I'll google it though to see the options available to me.
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Post by redshirt2375 on Dec 10, 2021 22:27:05 GMT -5
They had rules for pretty much every race at one point (ie: High Elves, Dark Elves, Lizardmen, Orks & Goblins, Dwarves, etc) but a lot of the warbands outside the OG rulebook ones were considered extremely OP in comparison from what I remember.
And as was mentioned, a campaign could quickly get out of hand with certain warbands quickly dominating the rest. I know in one of the ones I played in the Undead players Vampire quickly became unkillable and was a blender in combat and would just solo whole warbands.
It did get a lot of fun when you started doing multiplayer skirmishes with the random event chart though
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Post by artonas on Dec 11, 2021 0:16:24 GMT -5
I mean in any campaign style games like necromunda and bloodbowl, if one team starts wining a lot of their games, if usually snowballs. I think the game is pretty unbalanced and being unbalanced isn’t a bad thing unless you really wanted to play just to win.
I know in bloodbowl there are teams that are just bad like halflings and goblins. The game usually has things help it balance it out but doesn’t always work and that’s the fun of it. How would a team of halflings beat a bunch of black orcs in football? They probably wouldn’t. How does a warband of humans from the empire beat a vampire running around mordheim? By avoiding it or having some good luck and getting all the equipment in case they run into one.
If you want a 100% balanced game there isn’t one out there besides chess, even 40K isn’t that well balanced with its constant updates. I want to play mordheim for the stories. It’s why I loved necromunda back in the day. Having someone fall off a building because they were close to the edge and then having the entire gang bottle cause of it is so dumb it’s hilarious.
I don’t want to appear as ranting but it’s a game that’s over 20 years old and I’m sure it could cause some bad experience if someone builds a warband a certain way such as an all skaven list with slings. That breeds bad times, not someone playing some orcs and goblins running through mordheim grabbing warp stone for gork and Mork.
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Post by StepwisePilot on Dec 11, 2021 2:23:12 GMT -5
I'm assuming that the game uses 28mm bases if round gets used? Or is 32mm ok?
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Post by princerobinp on Dec 11, 2021 7:41:25 GMT -5
I think bases arent really an issue. I myself have some stuff on square and others in round. Smaller bases confer a slight advantage in moving models in dense terrain, accross walkways ect.
Just about every fantasy race had a faction made for it, but they aren't all necessarily balanced.
As has been said before, this isn't a game for power or tournament style play. There was no real "meta" when this was realeased. People mostly seemed to care more about playing the cool models they had.
Pick a cool bunch of models, give them a story. Name the heroes and give them a variety of weapons.
The desperate leader of your rag-tag group of adventurers wouldn't have the pick of of equipment and warriors to follow them into a cursed and ruined city, run what you've got.
The campaign system isn't balanced at all, but it's also where a lot of the fun happens and the story becomes fleshed out. Same was true of Necromunda back in the day. Sometimes it's just best to let a powerful warband "rest" a while and play another while the others catch up a little.
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Post by redshirt2375 on Dec 11, 2021 8:21:02 GMT -5
Oh it was definitely a crazy fun game The randomness of it all lead to some very wacky things happening. For the last game of our campaign when I was in Ptbo we rolled on the random event table every turn and things just got insane. My Reikland warband was one of more powerful ones at that point but 12 out of 14 of my guys were taken out that battle (the most casualties of anyone that game due to having all my Marksmen in the largest building that collapsed due to a random event) Everyone watched my post-game recovery rolls to see how bad it was going to be. Not a single model died or suffered an injury my captain even rolled the 66 to not only survive but gained an extra point of XP. A game of bad luck followed by the most insane dice luck
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Post by princerobinp on Dec 11, 2021 8:32:04 GMT -5
I am definitely stoked to play this again! The living rulebook linked above seems to be a good one to go by. Getting it printed up shouldn't be too spendy. Heck, I might even splurge on spiral binding!
Redshirt, I bought your starter set and still use it. I've been in the process of re-making it in foam core and making it more durable.
One thing about mordheim for those who haven't played it; it is not really a short game. It was definitely shorter than whfb or 40k at the time, but the rules are pretty crunchy. It is definitely not warcry.
The campaign system involves a lot of rolling and record keeping and takes a while as well.
Playing on a smaller table helps. One-off games can be played with smaller warbands to get a feel for the rules.
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Mordheim?
Dec 11, 2021 8:41:14 GMT -5
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Post by redshirt2375 on Dec 11, 2021 8:41:14 GMT -5
Redshirt, I bought your starter set and still use it. I've been in the process of re-making it in foam core and making it more durable. Glad it's finding use still. I just didn't have the space or time to play/fix it up myself. Foamcore is definitely a good way to strengthen the old cardboard terrain
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Post by aliciaygk on Dec 11, 2021 17:45:43 GMT -5
Sorry I've been away everyone but I'm really happy about the response, if people are interested i'd be happy to try organising a campaign of sorts. As for rules the living rule book is good, there is also broheim.net which contains the original core rules, a collection of warbands (official and not), and campaigns all available for free. Also because I've seen a lot of discussion about this is want to keep the campaign miniatures agnostic, so use what you have from whichever companies you'd like.
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Post by StepwisePilot on Dec 11, 2021 18:11:43 GMT -5
I have some models I can put together for it. I don't have any models the right size with guns though, so if I want guys with guns in my warband, I'll need to track some down. I had never heard of this Broheim.net site. To be fair, I hadn't heard about the living rulebook either. I don't know which set of rules to go by, so I'll just see what the rest decide and go from there. I can't really give any input myself, seeing as how I've never actually played Mordheim. The closest I've come is playing Frostgrave, which while fun, seems to be more rules light than Mordheim, so likely plays differently even if it does have the same general concept.
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Mordheim?
Dec 11, 2021 19:15:01 GMT -5
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Post by aliciaygk on Dec 11, 2021 19:15:01 GMT -5
I want guys with guns in my warband, I'll need to track some down. I had never heard of this Broheim.net site. To be fair, I hadn't heard about the living rulebook either. I don't know which set of rules to go by, so I'll just see what the rest decide and go from there. For cheap historical I'd check out Perry miniatures' renaissance/medieval line, they have plenty of plastic guns. Also as best I can tell the rulebooks are very similar if not the same, although it might be worth a little more digging.
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Post by redshirt2375 on Dec 12, 2021 8:06:38 GMT -5
When I originally played I used my Dark Elf models to represent my Reiklanders
The great thing about Mordheim is that as long as each character is unique and each henchmen group is the same model they don't really have to be WYSIWYG as long as you're clear which one is which and let your opponent know what they are armed with at the start. But it's best to at least try and use a model that closely resembles what the model has
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Mordheim?
Dec 14, 2021 15:46:49 GMT -5
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Post by aliciaygk on Dec 14, 2021 15:46:49 GMT -5
I'd be totally open to using whatever people have on hand, especially to do some one shots to get familiar with the system. I think it would be nice to give everyone a little time to collect/model a proper warband if they so choose but I wouldn't begrudge anyone who proxied a whole campaign.
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Post by princerobinp on Dec 14, 2021 19:53:10 GMT -5
Well, I've got a mercenary warband ready to go, but not entirely painted. I'd be down for a game.
There are lots of possibilties for miniatures; the frostgrave soldiers or cultist box would give you an entire warband. Nexus even had some in stock, last time I was there.
GW still produce the original skaven models as night runners
the flagellants box could make a witch hunter or cult of the possesed warband.
Some of the warcry warbands could be used with a bit of imagination I'm sure.
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