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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Nov 23, 2023 7:39:47 GMT -5
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Post by distractedcarnifex on Nov 23, 2023 9:48:25 GMT -5
So if we simply Squat both Aeldari factions then all 40K factions will be in the Goldilocks zone! Simples!
In all seriousness, I’m impressed with what they achieved. I think they still have to tidy up the Mortal Wounds/Devastating Wounds piece, but otherwise their adaptations have been positive.
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Post by Frosty the Pirate on Nov 23, 2023 10:36:03 GMT -5
I am particularly happy they directly stated they'll work on internal balance next. There are quite a few factions where there's poor internal balance between choices and certain roles there's simply one best unit and everything else is neglected.
I expect Aeldari and CSM to take some precision targetted nerfs. There's certain datacards/abilities that are just key to those factions top-performing units, like the Nurgle-marked-Rhino showcased at worlds or the aeldari double/triple nightspinner build that needs fixed. If those keystone competitive abilities get targeted, I think they won't need to do too much else on the unit/points side.
They also said we'll get another metawatch update in December, and that the balance team won't be finalizing any changes until early January.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Nov 23, 2023 10:54:45 GMT -5
add 100 points to the avatar... that's a start... there's a reason Most GT Eldar lists are bringing double avatar, fire prisms and then, well whatever else they want. He's insanely undercosted for his survivability and damage output... have watched him one shot a knight with zero trouble on multiple occasions. Much like the wraithknight, they just overtuned too many things in that codex. If you look at the results on blood of kittens, who looked at all tournaments over the weekend including the world championships (where eldar didn't dominate) in the other tournaments they had the most placings of any army - 14 in the top 3! next closest army was CSM at 4 - with two of those placings being the world championships! (although you can find the reports on the game with Mani and John Lennon where Mani did some pretty blatant cheating, then John voluntarily took the penalty thinking he messed up something. so basically business as usual for Cheema who's known for this kind of crap) bloodofkittens.com/blog/2023/11/22/while-the-best-play-aeldari-ruin-the-day-warhammer-40k-tournament-results/ |
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Post by raceygaming on Nov 23, 2023 11:56:28 GMT -5
I see we are back to the see saw of the custodes, a faction that seems to be the top 2 factions or bottom 2 and rarely inbetween.
The design of the army is that it needs to have some aspect that is just flat better than average. It can be raw stats, it can be stratagems, it could be point costs, etc but something has to be well above in order for them to function 25-20 model max creates this issue.
This time in 10th they tried to make the strats way above average and it caused issues with them crushing melee out and shutting down all from the best armies... well now they are clinging to 2nd last place now that the strats have been brought in line.
I think Custodes just don't have a deep enough codex to make the balancing act work.
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Post by Typhus on Nov 23, 2023 12:52:57 GMT -5
So if we simply Squat both Aeldari factions then all 40K factions will be in the Goldilocks zone! Simples! Can you imagine a world without Eldar...?  |
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Post by Frosty the Pirate on Nov 23, 2023 13:55:23 GMT -5
I think Custodes have 2 main factors working against them right now:
1) The current meta (and highly popular) Aeldari build is double/triple Nightspinner, which basically is a 100/0 tilt matchup between Custodes and Aeldari for the elves. Once they fix the nightspinner and other things, it'll help them out a lot because aeldari will be less popular and hence improve their overall WR as a result.
2) As Stu mentioned, the unit-size changes disproportionally hurt them, as did the change to devastating wounds since they depend on FNP vs Mortals as a keystone piece of their defenses. These will likely be the targets of the balance team's adjustments imo.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Nov 23, 2023 16:02:13 GMT -5
Oh if it was only just the nightspinner... you can eliminate that tank right from the army and it won't change a whole lot.
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