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Post by ohgodsnakes on Jul 15, 2019 8:33:41 GMT -5
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Post by ohgodsnakes on Jul 15, 2019 8:41:52 GMT -5
Highs:
-re-rolling ones on Psychic tests is great
-Love that stratagem. Very fluffy
-Gabriel gets Cawl and Abbadon's re-roll wording. Rerolling anything you want is awesome. Suck it modifiers!
-Gabriel gets +1 attack and BS (though he lost his grenades) and Sweeping Blows is much better than Arcing Swing was.
-4+ for d3 mortal wounds on the charge is not bad.
Lows:
-GW, for the love of god, no one has EVER taken a relic (Space Marine) pistol. Stop it.
-Only one strat? Crimson Fists got 3!
-No more Retribution for Gabriel (when killed in combat, automatically do d3 mortal wounds to whoever killed him)
-Gabriel stuck with a terrible Warlord trait. No moral within 6". Yippee. Really gonna help with all those 5 man squads SM take with re-rollable moral. Plus, one of the only good relics (banner of the emperor ascendant) gave that same bonus. Almost never comes up. Oh well, it doesn't say anywhere he needs to be the warlord.
Mehs:
-Ignoring wound rolls of twos on infantry, dreads and bikes is... ok? No to much S8 wants to be shooting at my marines instead of my tanks, and you don't run into S14+ for the dreads too often. I'll have to play a few games and see what happens.
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Post by voodoo on Jul 15, 2019 10:09:55 GMT -5
Re: Mehs:...
It does say a bit further up in that paragraph that you can take the chapter trait listed below or still select one from the SM Codex, so you're not stuck with the ignoring on 1 or 2; but would be giving up the re-roll for Cast/Deny. Depending on how many actual librarians you take, choosing one from the book might still be the better option.
Re: His re-roll ability, it's slightly better than Thousand Sons, and WAY better than a lot of other armies. How many points is he now?
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jul 15, 2019 10:22:52 GMT -5
my kelermorph ALWAYS takes his relic pistol .. your argument is invalid  |
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Post by ohgodsnakes on Jul 15, 2019 10:29:58 GMT -5
Re: Mehs:... It does say a bit further up in that paragraph that you can take the chapter trait listed below or still select one from the SM Codex, so you're not stuck with the ignoring on 1 or 2; but would be giving up the re-roll for Cast/Deny. Depending on how many actual librarians you take, choosing one from the book might still be the better option. Re: His re-roll ability, it's slightly better than Thousand Sons, and WAY better than a lot of other armies. How many points is he now? He is the only other model besides cawl and Abbadon that has that wording, and only he and Abaddon do it in all phases. Points are in the first photo, 185. Could run a supreme command of Blood Raven librarians, and keep running raven guard for the rest. Would even work colour wise, as the librarians are blue. They just wouldn't get Angelo's rerolls. |
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Post by ohgodsnakes on Jul 15, 2019 10:48:03 GMT -5
my kelermorph ALWAYS takes his relic pistol .. your argument is invalid You are absolutely correct. That is an awesome pistol. I've edited my post. |
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Post by Typhus on Jul 15, 2019 10:52:58 GMT -5
Re: Mehs:... It does say a bit further up in that paragraph that you can take the chapter trait listed below or still select one from the SM Codex, so you're not stuck with the ignoring on 1 or 2; but would be giving up the re-roll for Cast/Deny. Depending on how many actual librarians you take, choosing one from the book might still be the better option. Re: His re-roll ability, it's slightly better than Thousand Sons, and WAY better than a lot of other armies. How many points is he now? He is the only other model besides cawl and Abbadon that has that wording, and only he and Abaddon do it in all phases. Points are in the first photo, 185. Could run a supreme command of Blood Raven librarians, and keep running raven guard for the rest. Would even work colour wise, as the librarians are blue. They just wouldn't get Angelo's rerolls. Am I missing something? You have to choose the same Chapter Tactic for all of your Blood Ravens detachments. |
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Post by ohgodsnakes on Jul 15, 2019 11:15:50 GMT -5
He is the only other model besides cawl and Abbadon that has that wording, and only he and Abaddon do it in all phases. Points are in the first photo, 185. Could run a supreme command of Blood Raven librarians, and keep running raven guard for the rest. Would even work colour wise, as the librarians are blue. They just wouldn't get Angelo's rerolls. Am I missing something? You have to choose the same Chapter Tactic for all of your Blood Ravens detachments. hmm, all BLOOD RAVEN detachments must use the same chapter tactic, so I wouldn't be able to take a BLOOD RAVEN'S supreme command using one chapter tactic and a battalion with Angelos using Shadow Master's (raven guard tactic) as their tactic. I could do it if I didn't include Angelos, as I could just say that I'm using the BLUDH RAVEHNS keyword for my battalion, and they can take Shadow Masters. |
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Post by Typhus on Jul 15, 2019 11:24:52 GMT -5
Oh yeah, sure, if you choose not to use Angelos you can definitely do that.
Hard to argue with that new-wave full reroll though.
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Post by voodoo on Jul 15, 2019 12:30:06 GMT -5
Re: Mehs:... It does say a bit further up in that paragraph that you can take the chapter trait listed below or still select one from the SM Codex, so you're not stuck with the ignoring on 1 or 2; but would be giving up the re-roll for Cast/Deny. Depending on how many actual librarians you take, choosing one from the book might still be the better option. Re: His re-roll ability, it's slightly better than Thousand Sons, and WAY better than a lot of other armies. How many points is he now? He is the only other model besides cawl and Abbadon that has that wording, and only he and Abaddon do it in all phases. Points are in the first photo, 185. Could run a supreme command of Blood Raven librarians, and keep running raven guard for the rest. Would even work colour wise, as the librarians are blue. They just wouldn't get Angelo's rerolls. RE: What WERE his points? AKA, what was the point change, if any to Angelos. Also, you're incorrect on the re-rolls. Thousand Sons re-roll 1's to hit when within 6" of Ahriman, an Exalted or a Daemon Prince (he also lets tzeentch daemons re-roll). So like I said, not as good as Cawl/Abby/Angie, but better than the only in the shooting/assault that many armies get. |
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Post by Typhus on Jul 15, 2019 12:54:01 GMT -5
He is the only other model besides cawl and Abbadon that has that wording, and only he and Abaddon do it in all phases. Points are in the first photo, 185. Could run a supreme command of Blood Raven librarians, and keep running raven guard for the rest. Would even work colour wise, as the librarians are blue. They just wouldn't get Angelo's rerolls. RE: What WERE his points? AKA, what was the point change, if any to Angelos. He was 185 before, so his points are exactly the same. |
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Post by ohgodsnakes on Jul 15, 2019 13:48:07 GMT -5
He is the only other model besides cawl and Abbadon that has that wording, and only he and Abaddon do it in all phases. Points are in the first photo, 185. Could run a supreme command of Blood Raven librarians, and keep running raven guard for the rest. Would even work colour wise, as the librarians are blue. They just wouldn't get Angelo's rerolls. RE: What WERE his points? AKA, what was the point change, if any to Angelos. Also, you're incorrect on the re-rolls. Thousand Sons re-roll 1's to hit when within 6" of Ahriman, an Exalted or a Daemon Prince (he also lets tzeentch daemons re-roll). So like I said, not as good as Cawl/Abby/Angie, but better than the only in the shooting/assault that many armies get. Sorry, I should have been clearer. Angelos, along with Abby and Cawl are the only models in the game that allow you to re-roll ALL hit rolls, not just failed ones. That's what makes him special. Other Chapter masters (Dante, Azreal, Pedro, High Marshal Helbrecht, Culnn, etc), and even Guilliman can only re-roll FAILED hit rolls. This is important when facing things with negative to-hit modifiers, as the standard chapter Master re-roll takes place before modifiers. This would allow you to say move with a redemptor and shoot at a plane more effectively. With a normal Chapter Master, the dread would be hitting on 5's, re-rolling 1's and 2's. With Gabriel now, the dread still hits on fives, but everything can be re-rolled. He was 185 previously, which I believe is fair. He is far more expensive than a standard captain, but 15 pts cheaper than Calgar, who is much beefier (2 more wounds, halves incoming damage), gives bonus command points, and has more attacks with no negative to hit. |
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