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Post by lightcavalier on Sept 3, 2021 5:10:50 GMT -5
Meh.
review videos/reaction videos get slapped by YouTube bots constantly. One of my favorite YouTube channels had to switch to reviewing live versions of rock music, because if they didn't YT was just automatically de-monitizing/taking down their videos...despite using the exact same format w hip-hop/rap and having no issues using the studio versions.
Regardless you won't hear anything from GW either way, especially if it was YouTube being over zealous.
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Post by macstern on Sept 3, 2021 7:43:28 GMT -5
Seems like a lot of GW fan boys on here lol. To defend someone by saying they are not as bad as another company is not actually a defense its an excuse. And its not only over ip stuff either, its shady business practices to pocket more money at the expense of stores like nexus. Artificial inflation of value in models by limited printing, etc.. You can see these trends start in video games years ago and I think GW is manipulating its customer base. This causes me to buy a lot of used stuff rather then purchase at my own hobby store. So instead I buy paint, terrain supplies, other games, codex's cause you kind of have too. My view is GW like most companies are going to be guided by greed for the foreseeable future, with the only way of trying to change these bad habits with hobby dollars. Lots of disparaging remarks about people boycotting in this thread which is sad to see, allowing companies to believe infinite growth is not good. Long winded pov I know, but if you made it this far cheers, thanks for reading my rant, and see you in the hobby!
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Post by VaUkos on Sept 3, 2021 8:17:22 GMT -5
One of my pennies/observation, I haven't been to pleased with some of the price ups on some kits here and there my self and im not 100% sure but it seems like the crisis suits got a massive price increase, I remember them being 65$ per kit about 5-6 months ago but now they are 90$, and fire warriors I remember being 45$ but now they are 60$, like I said I'm not 100% sure about the time and price cost but Jordan or any other tau players can tell me I'm wrong and that I'm just remembering things wrong.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Sept 3, 2021 10:42:38 GMT -5
I don't have an issue with anyone boycotting a company... just don't buy their stuff and move on.
What is extremely annoying to me is the online trolling where people who reportedly don't play a game, won't buy anything from the company etc. go onto sites/forums etc. and bitch and moan about GW.
If you don't want to play the game or buy the product why on earth are they complaining about it?
It'd be like me saying a $5,000 Les Paul guitar is not only too expensive for me to buy, BUT the company is predatory and evil for charging that much and they should just charge $150 like Walmart does for their guitars, AND I'm going to loudly complain online as much as possible about it. Boggles my mind. If you don't like the company, don't support it and move on. It's just a game! (note - I don't see that kind of stuff here - it's more the greater web - like the idiot who lit his dark elf army on fire when AOS was released who apparently didn't realize how money works)
And if a Youtube channel gets hit by Youtube for copyright violation, it's probably a scanbot. There's a LOT of channels out there (including playtesters for GW like Tabletop Tactics, and Tabletop Titans) who have a ton of content that aren't getting hit at all. It's going to be inevitable that some will be hit. That seems to be more of a Youtube issue than someone at GW scrolling through Youtube looking for violation.
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Post by VaUkos on Sept 3, 2021 14:28:21 GMT -5
@jack shrapnel like the idiot who lit his dark elf army on fire when AOS was released,
Oh man that's kinda extreme and a waste of models and money but I agree with ya.
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Post by lightcavalier on Sept 3, 2021 15:50:27 GMT -5
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Post by raceygaming on Sept 3, 2021 16:06:17 GMT -5
that is pretty interesting that it was manually flagged and not a bot. That means that they obvious are paying someone(s) outside the legal team to watch other content, rather than using a bot to do so. I do like their approach of not using bots since that can cause any number of head aches but it does make me feel like with GW paying someone(s) to actively flag material that they are more serious than I thought.
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Post by dave on Sept 3, 2021 19:52:02 GMT -5
One of my pennies/observation, I haven't been to pleased with some of the price ups on some kits When I got into 40k in 2017, the new crisis suits were already $90, I believe. However, then as now, there was zero reason to actually buy crisis suits alone because the SC box existed. FW were 60, which I thought was crazy for 10 troops, but again, SC softened that blow and I jumped into the hobby with both feet. Since then, broadsides, commanders, and ghostkeels have gone up from 50/50/90 to 65/65/100 respectively. I always wanted a riptide, but paying $100 for one model just seemed crazy. Oops, they're $130 now. I get that the models are good quality, and cost a lot to develop. But I'm sure those costs were paid long before the latest round of hikes. Tell me GW had to charge 30% more for riptides and wraith knights because they just hadn't moved enough units in 7th and needed to get into the black. But again if they don't raise prices on the old stuff, it's not as easy to swallow the new price points. Have to acclimatize your customer base to the new normal. See also, artificial scarcity and FOMO. They could teach a master class on this. I actually first became interested in warhammer in about 2007/08. Thought it looked awesome, but wasn't sure how to find anyone to play with, and the kits seemed ridiculously expensive, so I eventually shelved the idea instead of taking the plunge. Stuck to my ww2 models. 10 years later and I had discovered ebay, discount retailers, and knew where to find a community of gamers. I'm all in now, but if the price wasn't such an obstacle, they would have been getting at least some of my money for a decade before they did.
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Post by lightcavalier on Sept 4, 2021 6:38:45 GMT -5
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Sept 4, 2021 8:49:17 GMT -5
good read... thanks for the link!
I like the thread continuing with people confirming from a GW employee that this online "boycott" doesn't even register to GW... they don't care about the toxic part of the community raging and just ignore it.
And as another commenter posted - GW has ALWAYS been very aggressive with protecting their IP... they just got a little lax the last couple years. But I don't think GW wants a return to the Chapterhouse days (where a company was actually selling full kits for Tervigons etc. before GW released them)
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Post by Khalai on Sept 4, 2021 9:24:32 GMT -5
Yea, by and large you can thank Brexit for most GW issues lately. The two biggest being cost increases and product delays.
Brexit is costing UK companies millions in shipping cost increases and delays. It really sucks. I mean forget minis for a minute, there literally aren't enough truck drivers or customs agents to get food to the grocery stores and entire sections are going empty for weeks at a time. You have a entire shipping container full of product? well if the first item isn't listed in the correct category for imports it get sent back. The whole thing.
Brexit is a bigger disaster than I think even worst case doomsayers were thinking and that says something.
Makes it clear why releases have been weird and not likely even releasing in the planned order, and models seen aren't getting released a lot later than ever expected.
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Post by macstern on Sept 5, 2021 16:49:33 GMT -5
I think some people have the wrong idea of the purpose of a boycott, it's not to just never buy from that company again but to enact positive change so you can buy from them again. Labeling everyone taking part in a boycott as toxic is kinda outrageous.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Sept 5, 2021 18:48:16 GMT -5
There's two different groups I was at least talking about. The Toxic people are the ones loudly being trolls on the internet and calling down people who still play the games using terms such as "simps" and "fanboys" who are using the "boycott" idea to push their toxicity towards a community they say they aren't even a part of. NOT everyone who is calling for a boycott is this type of person.
Someone who boycotts a company, as I said is well within their rights to not support a company, not buy their product, not take part in events etc. I absolutely have zero issue with that. 8th edition warhammer fantasy became that for me, where I simply stopped playing due to what I felt were fundamental flaws with how GW's direction was with the game. Lots of other people boycotted it as well to the point that the game crashed and burned and GW had to pivot completely and rebrand with AOS because WHFB essentially was a dead product. They stopped supporting it once the fanbase left and boycotted the game. Same thing happened with Warmachine - believe it was their second or third edition of the game? (I'm not really up on warmachine for years though).
Creating positive change with a company / game system involves interacting and trying to help change the company. Yelling at / mocking people online has never resulted in a positive change.
So what I'm getting at is there are two very different groups of individuals BOTH saying that they're part of the "boycott" and for very different reasons. I am also saying that we do not have that toxicity HERE, so I was certainly not trying to insinuate that anyone in this community was taking part in the toxic online stuff.
In the end though, it appears from a financial point of view (and from a GW's reaction) it's kind of a moot point, as they apparently simply don't even register this as a thing, and GW's financial position is quite strong (at least according to the stock reports put up by Blood of Kittens that I occasionally take a look at) despite everything else going on right now.
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Post by macstern on Sept 5, 2021 18:57:29 GMT -5
My apologizes would seem i mis-read the intent. Thank you for the clarification which shows us to actual be on the same page. Guess I've put five cents in now when I should have left it at one.
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Post by macstern on Sept 7, 2021 12:13:38 GMT -5
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