First crack at Black Templars....

[lightcavalier]

Looking to use my army box contents to make the jump from 1500 to 2000 pts

Bound to be some inefficiencies (due to being limited to what I own/will own shortly), but it looks fun and oh so very black templar

2000 pts - 12 CP

Primaris Chaplain (AKA the Slaplain) - 110 pts / 1 CP
Master of Sanctity 
--Litany of Hate
--Oath of Glory (Chaplain gains +1S, Fight First, 6s to hit do 2 additional hits)
--Epitome of Piety (Give unit within 6" a 5+++)
Relic: Benediction of Fury
WL Trait: Wise Orator
WL Trait: Paragon of Fury (On charge gain +1S, roll d6 for all models in engagement range, 5+ does MW)
Stratagem: Heir of Sigismund (2nd WL Trait)

The Emperor's Champion - 100 pts

Primaris Lieutenant - 75 pts / 1 CP
-Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol
Relic: The Teeth of Terra
Stratagem: Relic of the Chapter

Primaris Lieutenant - 90 Pts / 2 CP
-MC Power Sword, Neo Volkite Pistol, Storm Shield
Relic: Aquilla Something (+1T and +1A)
WL Trait: Master of Arms (+1A and Fight First)
Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter, Relic of the Chapter

Primaris Apothecary - 110 Pts / 1 CP
Chief Apothecary
WL Trait: Selfless Healer
Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter

Bladeguard Veteran Squad - 190 pts / 1 CP
5x Bladeguard Veterans
-Sgt has Icon of Heilmann (ignores AP -1 and -2 when making saves, only applies to him)
-Sgt is Champion of the Feast (+1W, +1A, +1WS)
Stratagem: Champion of the Feast

Primaris Crusader Squad - 218 Pts / 1 CP
1x Sword Brother w Power Sword + Heavy Bolt Pistol
-Relic: The Sword of Judgement (+3S, -3AP, D3)
-Holy Orb (in shooting phase throw 1/game, hit on a 2+, D3 Mortal Wound and target unit Fights Last)
2x Initiate with Pyreblaster (15" S4, AP -1, D1 flamers)
3x Initiate w HBP + Astartes Chainsword
4x Neophyte with Astartes Shotgun 
Stratagem: Revered Repository

Assault Intercessor Squad - 205 Pts
1x Sgt w Power Fist and Plasma Pistol
9 Assault Intercessor


Assault Intercessor Squad - 205 Pts

1x Sgt w Power Fist and Plasma Pistol

9 Assault Intercessor

Heavy Intercessor Squad - 150 Pts
1x Heavy Intercessor w Hellstorm Heavy Bolter
4x Heavy Intercessor w Hellstorm Bolt Rifle


Heavy Intercessor Squad - 150 Pts

1x Heavy Intercessor w Hellstorm Heavy Bolter

4x Heavy Intercessor w Hellstorm Bolt Rifle

Outrider Squad - 165 Pts
-Sgt has Crux something (-1 damage, only applies to him)

Eradicator Squad - 225 Pts
5x Eradicator w melta rifle

1998 pts - 5 CP left

Basically it just runs at stuff.....each flank would be comprised of Assault Intercessors, Heavy Intercessors, and a Castellan/Lt, while the centre would be the Chaplain, Apothecary, Crusaders and Bladeguard. Eradicators and Outriders would go where they are needed.

As I said, im a bit limited by what I own but the long term goal is to see 20 crusaders (likely at the expense of an Lt and some heavy intercessors or outriders)

[lightcavalier]

I can also trade the 2x Lts and the outriders for a las repulsor with multi melta

[raceygaming]

If you can get healer + the ignore -1/-2 its pretty crazy. then of he dies rez him and do it all over again

[lightcavalier]

Oct 10, 2021 20:45:03 GMT -5 raceygaming said:

If you can get healer + the ignore -1/-2 its pretty crazy. then of he dies rez him and so it all over again

That's the plan

[Frosty the Pirate]

Ok, first things first, the upsides: It's going to play an Oath/Stranglehold gameplan really well, and you've got a ton of utility baked in from all the relics and mini-relics.

Some meh things: the outriders don't really makes sense unfortunately. I realize they are probably just placeholders for the moment but they just don't gel with your gameplan at all. The Eradicators are going to draw the immediate attention of all vehicle based lists and get punked out by anti tank weapons since there's no vehicles.

The bad: it's kind of vulnerable to Assassination, those Lieutenants are unfortunately not really adding much to the list for the large cp spend and at just T4/5 W4 they won't last long against snipers or enemies with mobile smite platforms.

Overall it's certainly a good starting point. The core of bladeguard + apoc + chaplain backed by lots of gravis armor is a great start, and big blocks of assault INTs are excellent for grinding on primary scoring points. As you expand your roster of models and play some games you'll figure out what to replace the outriders and lieutenants with pretty quickly. Based on current meta, I'd recommend considering a pair of Redemptor Dreads or a Repulsor as the replacement(s), and breaking down the Eradicators into 2x3 instead of one brick of 5 to spread your anti tank loadouts around a bit.

[Jack Shrapnel]

well the eradicators will be in strategic reserve I'm sure. Rarely ever see them start on the table.

it is possible to get a full 15 on assassination sure, but if you do, the list has nothing left anyways. Snipers are pretty terrible these days, there's maybe a couple armies that can effectively run them. But I would agree two lieutenants is probably not warranted in the final list.

I'm not too keen on repulsors, but know that you're doing a conversion that you want to see on the field so I can understand why you'd want it to eventually make the list.

[lightcavalier]

ROFL so I found 3 more eradictors in a box....so 2x4 Eradicators can totally be a thing in lieu of the 90 pt Lt.

Ill keep mucking around with it....realisticallyt he outriders are a place holder for the other half of the crusader squad, though I do have the primaris bike chaplain I could toss in too

[Jack Shrapnel]

well that's an immediate upgrade over the lieutenant... 2x4 eradicators are pretty nasty outflankers!

[Frosty the Pirate]

Have to agree, 3 extra Erads is a heck of an upgrade to find laying around in a box. You've inspired me to go looking through my last carton of bits, odds, and ends and see what I might find.

[lightcavalier]

Lets try this again

Primaris Chaplain on Bike
-Master of Sanctity
--Litany of Hate
--Epitome of Piety (one unit gets 5+++)
--Oath of Glory (chaplain gets +1Str, Fights First, and 6s to hit do 2 additional hits)
Relic: Tanhauser's Bones (reduce all incoming damage to 1)
WL Trait: Iron Resolve (+1W, 6+++)
WL Trait: Paragon of Fury (+1Str on charge, on roll d6 equal to models in engagement range do MW on 5+)
Stratagem: Sigismunds Heir (extra WL trait) - 1 CP

The Emperors Champion

Primaris Apothecary
-Chief Apothecary
WL Trait: Selfless Healer
Relic: Crusaders Helm (+3" to aura, select 1 unit per turn to benefit from Assault Doctrine instead of current doctrine)
Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter, Relic of the Chapter - 2 CP

5x Bladeguard Veterans
-Sgt has Icon of Heilmann (Ignore AP -1 and -2)
-Sgt is Champion of the Feast (+1A, +1W, +1WS) - 1 CP

Primaris Crusader Squda
1x Sword Brother w Power Sword + HBP
-Holy Orb (once per game 6" toss, 2+ to hit, D3 MW target fights last)
-Relic: The Sword of Judgement (+3S, -3AP, 3D) - 1 CP
3x Initiate w HBP + Chainsword
2x Initiate w Power Fist + HBP
4x Neophyte w Astartes Shotgun

10 Assault Intercessors
-Sgt w Power Fist + Plasma Pistol

10 Assault Intercessors
-Sgt w Power Fist and Plasma Pistol

5x Heavy Intercessor
-Hellstorm Bolt Rifles
-1x Hellstorm Heavy Bolter

5x Heavy Intercessor
-Hellstorm Bolt Rifles
-1x Hellstorm Heavy Bolter

3x Outrider
-Sgt has Crux (-1 Dmg)

4x Eradicator w melta rifle

4x Eradictor w Melta Rifle

1998 Pts, 7 CP remaining

[Frosty the Pirate]

Honestly it's starting to smell/feel like LizardTau's Blood Angels "smoothie" list, which has been pretty successful iirc.

Assassination problem is solved, you've got some hard as rock units for Oath/Stranglehold, and double Erads + all your embedded power weapons ensures you won't be in trouble versus something skewed like a parking lot or knights.

[LizardTau]

Ya the double eradicators will help with what my list lacks. Some good fire support.

[lightcavalier]

Wound up with a 2nd Redemptor so decided do something different (plus i get to shoehorn in my tank)

2000 pts

Primaris Chaplain on Bike
-Master of Sanctity
--Litany of Hate
--Litany of Divine Protection (give one unit in 6" 5+++)
--Fires of Devotion (give one unit in 6" +1 attach when charging, heroically intervening, or being charged)
Relic: Tanhauser's Bones (Reduce all incoming damage to 1)
WL Trait: Iron Resolve (+1W, 6+++)
WL Trait: Master of Arms (+1A, Fight First)
Stratagem: Sigismund's Heir

Primaris Techmarine
Relic: Aquilla Immortalis (+1T, +1A)

The Emperor's Champion
WL Trait: Frontline Commander (+1 to Adv and Charge, +1 to Charge to unit charging units he is engaged with)

Primaris Apothecary
-Cheif Apothecary
Relic: The Crusaders Helm (+3" to Auras, pick on unit to be in assault doctrine)
WL Trait: Selfless Healer

Aggressor Squad
1x Aggressor Sgt - 2x Flamestorm Gauntlet
-Champion of the Feast (+1WS, +1W, +1A)
-Relic Bearer: The Crux Obsidian (-1 Dmg)
3x Aggressor - 2x Flamestorm Gauntlet

Redemptor Dreadnaught
-Macro Plasma, Onslaught Gatting, Icarus Rocket Pod, 2x Storm Bolter, REdemptor Fist

Redemptor Dreadnaught
-Macro Plasma, Onslaught Gatting, Icarus Rocket Pod, 2x Storm Bolter, REdemptor Fist

Heavy Intercessor Squad
4x Hellstorm Bolt Rifle
1x Hellstorm Heavy Bolter

Heavy Intercessor Squad
4x Hellstorm Bolt Rifle
1x Hellstorm Heavy Bolter

Assault Intercessor Squad
1x Sergeant - Power Fist, PLasma Pistol
-Relic Bearer: Fist of Balthus (x2S, AP -3, D3, no penalty to hit)
9x Assault Intercessor w Chainsword + HEavy Bolt Pistol

Outrider Squad
1x OUtrider Sergeant
-Relic Bearer: Light of the Emperor's Grace (+1Ld, 12" Aura -1 to Psychic Tests)
-Revered Respositories: Skull of the Cacodominus (12" Aura -1 to Psychic Tests and doubles cause perils, 1x per game add another 18" -1 to psychic test aura that stacks with the 12" aura)
2x Outrider

Repulsor
-Last Talon, Twin Lascannon, Onslaught Gattling Cannon, Icarus Rocket Pod, 2x Krakstorm Grenade Launcher, 2x Storm Bolter, Auto Launchers, Multi-Melta


So the Repulsor runs up the field with the Aggressors, Apothecary, and Emperor's Champion (or assault intercessors) in it with first support provided by Heavy Intercessors + Dreadnaught.

The Chaplain/Bikers and the Techmarine go where they are needed.

[Jack Shrapnel]

Looks pretty solid to me!

[Frosty the Pirate]

It's too bad you can't duct tape Tannhausers Bones to the Repulsor.

That biker chaplain is going to be hilariously hard to kill. It makes my brain hurt to have to look at that list and know that despite the tanks and dreadnoughts and bricks of gravis armor that the biker chappy is literally almost tougher than all of them combined.