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Post by Hi I'm Derek on Jan 26, 2022 14:45:59 GMT -5
I think, as with others, in a void a poxwalker nerf is probably fine since they're bonkers but ideally it should have been coupled with buffs in other areas (plague marines) to let you actually swing into something instead of just forcing you to absorb the nerfs.
Also the PBC change looks more and more like a deliberate nerf to their secondary game ):
I'll take the blight hauler buff though, since I have 6 lol
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Post by Frosty the Pirate on Jan 26, 2022 14:50:03 GMT -5
Also the PBC change looks more and more like a deliberate nerf to their secondary game ): Oh wow... That's a stroke of genius right there. I hadn't even realized that side of the impact. 3xDeathshrouds is now more expensive than a PBC for TTL. That suuuuuucks. EDIT: Looks like I should unhide the comments on youtube more often, literally half the comments are people spelling out that this "buff" to the PBC is actually a stealth-nerf. |
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Post by Typhus on Jan 26, 2022 16:44:09 GMT -5
Oh wow... That's a stroke of genius right there. I hadn't even realized that side of the impact. 3xDeathshrouds is now more expensive than a PBC for TTL. That suuuuuucks. EDIT: Looks like I should unhide the comments on youtube more often, literally half the comments are people spelling out that this "buff" to the PBC is actually a stealth-nerf. Hence the title of this thread. I will say I feel no sadness for the poxwalker, the fact that it was a 5ppm model that was fearless was pretty crazy. looking at grots for orks, the poxwalker is crazy good. for fearless I'd happily pay 7 ppm for them. Its just go good to have a unit that can just take the hits and not care, as long as you have 1 alive its still obsec. Remember that DE Wracks are 8 points/model and are vastly better than Poxwalkers. 6 points/model is already pushing it when DE are right there, outperforming us in every way. |
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Post by Malarks on Jan 26, 2022 16:51:22 GMT -5
Meanwhile, I'm over here... "5ppm feels like a lot, for Grotz..."
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Post by Hi I'm Derek on Jan 26, 2022 17:04:22 GMT -5
Meanwhile, I'm over here... "5ppm feels like a lot, for Grotz..." It feels like a lot because it IS a lot. As is 9ppm for boyz. |
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Post by raceygaming on Jan 26, 2022 17:38:26 GMT -5
Oh wow... That's a stroke of genius right there. I hadn't even realized that side of the impact. 3xDeathshrouds is now more expensive than a PBC for TTL. That suuuuuucks. EDIT: Looks like I should unhide the comments on youtube more often, literally half the comments are people spelling out that this "buff" to the PBC is actually a stealth-nerf. Hence the title of this thread. I will say I feel no sadness for the poxwalker, the fact that it was a 5ppm model that was fearless was pretty crazy. looking at grots for orks, the poxwalker is crazy good. for fearless I'd happily pay 7 ppm for them. Its just go good to have a unit that can just take the hits and not care, as long as you have 1 alive its still obsec. Remember that DE Wracks are 8 points/model and are vastly better than Poxwalkers. 6 points/model is already pushing it when DE are right there, outperforming us in every way. I will say when compared to DE most things come up short since they have a 63% win rate still. I do think that Wracks should be about 10-11 ppm for what they can do but maybe the data sheets will change something about them. |
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Post by Frosty the Pirate on Jan 26, 2022 17:44:22 GMT -5
Actually that's a very good point. We may have all the points leaks at this point but we have no idea on the FAQ content. It's not unheard of to issue updated datasheets or special rule text via FAQ.
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Post by raceygaming on Jan 26, 2022 17:50:24 GMT -5
I don't really know what they would change to balance the data sheet in way the leaves them being 8 ppm.
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Post by lightcavalier on Jan 26, 2022 18:36:49 GMT -5
I don't really know what they would change to balance the data sheet in way the leaves them being 8 ppm. Honestly it's easier to just change their points. Mucking w their datasheet is a big finicky can of worms that would likely render them complete trash |
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Post by lightcavalier on Jan 26, 2022 18:37:25 GMT -5
Actually that's a very good point. We may have all the points leaks at this point but we have no idea on the FAQ content. It's not unheard of to issue updated datasheets or special rule text via FAQ. Or the already announced balance dataslate comming in feb |
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jan 26, 2022 19:38:48 GMT -5
I doubt that wracks are guaranteed to go up. They've had lots of passes over DE to change wracks, which are not exactly dominating anything... with the exception of the recent GT win by spam-master supreme Mani Cheema, who ditched his hive guard spam list for 170 wracks. last time he did that with hive guard they got a point bump, so maybe you're in luck.
grots however should NOT be 5 points
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Post by lightcavalier on Jan 26, 2022 20:24:46 GMT -5
I doubt that wracks are guaranteed to go up. They've had lots of passes over DE to change wracks, which are not exactly dominating anything... with the exception of the recent GT win by spam-master supreme Mani Cheema, who ditched his hive guard spam list for 170 wracks. last time he did that with hive guard they got a point bump, so maybe you're in luck. grots however should NOT be 5 points The issue with wracks is that they were a non-entity until wyches get nerfed. I dont think theyll get hit too hard (as all the heavy lifting is actually getting done by Cronos and Talos in those lists)...but I woldnt be surprised if Wracks got a bump |
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jan 28, 2022 12:36:37 GMT -5
I've been thinking about this randomly. You know what Death Guard need?
Their non-vehicle marine units (ie: not poxwalkers or cultists) all need to get their 5+ FNP back. This is in addition to the existing disgustingly resilient.
You'd see plague marines then.
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Post by Typhus on Jan 28, 2022 13:03:38 GMT -5
I've been thinking about this randomly. You know what Death Guard need? Their non-vehicle marine units (ie: not poxwalkers or cultists) all need to get their 5+ FNP back. This is in addition to the existing disgustingly resilient. You'd see plague marines then. I was thinking about exactly this before. I'd happily take the Terminator nerf if we got the 5+++ back. |
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Post by Hi I'm Derek on Jan 28, 2022 13:04:46 GMT -5
I've been thinking about this randomly. You know what Death Guard need? Their non-vehicle marine units (ie: not poxwalkers or cultists) all need to get their 5+ FNP back. This is in addition to the existing disgustingly resilient. You'd see plague marines then. True! Although I think it speaks to a broader problem with durability vs lethality because a lot of previously really tough DG units just aren't survivable anymore. Other people have the same issues just no army's core identity is so intrinsically tied to durability as DG. |
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