Alpha leader beast tyranids interaction

[mrmanstory]

Wondering if anyone can clear up something for me. The tyranids leviathan strat alpha leader beast let's me take an extra Warlord trait on my hive tyrant. Would I then be able to take a second adaptive Physiology on that same hive tyrant since i can replace Warlord traits with adaptive physiologies? I'm not seeing anywhere online saying I can't and battlescribe doesn't give me an error if I do I just want clarification.

[Jack Shrapnel]

alpha leader beast gives you one LEVIATHAN warlord trait extra... so actually cannot take just a stock trait.

adaptive physiologies say that you give up a warlord trait to take one (specifically just one though), and progeny of the hive lets you add an additional adaptive physiology for 1 CP.

I read it as you can have two adaptive physiologies for 1 CP, and a leviathan warlord trait (after giving up your original one) for another CP.

I've seen it argued you could give up BOTH warlord traits and pay the CP for three adaptives, however I don't see anywhere in the rules where this is expressly permitted.

It's only an issue for the next little bit though, as rumours currently say adaptive physiologies will go to point upgrades as per every other 9th ed book, which is good and bad... good because it doesn't cost you CP.. bad because you cannot then double up. (if it works like all the other upgrades in other 9th ed books, which it likely will)

[voodoo]

Yeah, because I'd freaking LOVE to stack things like Ardent Automata and Rites of Coalescence... But that would be hateful, and shouldn't be allowed.

[Frosty the Pirate]

Feb 21, 2022 21:33:17 GMT -5 Jack Shrapnel said:

I've seen it argued you could give up BOTH warlord traits and pay the CP for three adaptives, however I don't see anywhere in the rules where this is expressly permitted.

This is really to key to any rule in 40k. There's no implied rules in 40k. You must always have a rule that expressly and explicitly states what you are doing.

As a second note, "battlescribe allows it without error" is a terrible way to gauge rules interactions. I've looked through battlescribe's code and data files many times before and I do not envy the folks who maintain and update them, they are a tangled mess and honestly some data files for certain factions I honestly wonder how some of them work at all.

There's a part of me that thinks the great-rules-consolidation of 9th is just a first step and 9.5/10/whatever will bring about even more simplification of roster construction once all the codex rule sets have been standardized structurally-speaking.

[mrmanstory]

This all makes sense. Honestly when I saw it my reaction was "this is dumb and shouldn't work" but since I've only been playing for 2 years I figured I'd ask people who knew better than myself lol