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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Oct 14, 2022 20:57:01 GMT -5
I find the GHB is good for missions and battletactics, but the extra realm rules (Galatian veterans and bounty hunters for example) are pretty tilted for sure.
I'm so sick of the priority rule too... I'll use it if I'm forced to... but I'd much rather not.
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Post by dave on Oct 14, 2022 21:29:35 GMT -5
I could go any which way in terms of battlepacks. I do think they did a better job with the battle tactics and grand strats this time around, but the ones in the core book aren't bad either.
I wouldn't recommend the current GHB in its entirety to any actual new players though. It plays like something for veterans at the end of an edition looking to shake things up. The GV's, shifting objective only they can hold, and the two battalions reaalllly warp how you need to build lists and play. It's a lot on top of core ruleset that is already a lot.
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Post by mrmanstory on Oct 14, 2022 21:49:57 GMT -5
I'm fine playing however is decided but I haven't even bought the new GHB yet so I'd have to if it's used or rely on someone who has got it (or wahapedia). The priority roll I can go either way on. If people don't want to play with it that's fine if not that's fine too. I'm either gonna be using kruleboyz (which are terrible right now) or finally picking up enough stonehorns/thundertusks to run an exclusively big stompy ogor army.
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Post by distractedcarnifex on Oct 14, 2022 22:53:12 GMT -5
Maybe we just play open war with no missions etc? Longest beard gets 4 VPs?
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Post by Hi I'm Derek on Oct 14, 2022 23:54:52 GMT -5
Maybe we just play open war with no missions etc? Longest beard gets 4 VPs? While I assume this is sarcasm the open play framework has a lot of advantages over the, ahem, 'General's Handbook Pitched battles 2022-2023 Season One'. It's about as far from the old 'you lose if you suffer from a disability' mechanics of Sigmar 1.0 as matched play.
The biggest problem open play has is how radically different it is from the comp battlepacks, and because nobody has time to play a bunch of different formats of Sigmar it's just more junk you have to learn because of how differently it plays. If it followed the same format with battle tactics and the like I think more people would be playing it than their seasonal packs.
Anyway it's probably out because it has the same weaknesses as the GHB ie it's not popular and it's more work to learn.
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Post by distractedcarnifex on Oct 15, 2022 8:47:31 GMT -5
Maybe we just play open war with no missions etc? Longest beard gets 4 VPs? While I assume this is sarcasm the open play framework has a lot of advantages over the, ahem, 'General's Handbook Pitched battles 2022-2023 Season One'. It's about as far from the old 'you lose if you suffer from a disability' mechanics of Sigmar 1.0 as matched play.
The biggest problem open play has is how radically different it is from the comp battlepacks, and because nobody has time to play a bunch of different formats of Sigmar it's just more junk you have to learn because of how differently it plays. If it followed the same format with battle tactics and the like I think more people would be playing it than their seasonal packs.
Anyway it's probably out because it has the same weaknesses as the GHB ie it's not popular and it's more work to learn.
I was kiddingly about the beards, of course, but if we are going to be playing a mix of battle packs with modifications for each game then why not just play Open War? The current missions are based around Galletian. Eternals, Bounty Hunters and the priority roll. I think there could be some balance risk in messing with parts of the General’s Handbooks? Excited to get some AoS in though, in any format! |
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Post by Hi I'm Derek on Oct 17, 2022 0:16:09 GMT -5
Ah yes fair enough I thought you were making fun of open.
Honestly I'm down, I have not played using the open mission generator yet but I did read it and the only thing that off the top of my head which probably would need to change is adding back in the matched play army construction since I doubt a lot of people want to play grand alliance style armies anyway
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Post by DarrenB on Oct 17, 2022 18:01:49 GMT -5
I'm interested in this league as well. Main challenge for me is scheduling, which is why it's nice to hear things are so open. I've got two young kids and my wife is a nurse so we don't exactly have a "regular" schedule. I can try to work around it as best as I can, and I'm happy to play host as well as I've got a table, mats, and plenty of terrain as well (I'm in the west end as well).
Any idea when this league would be starting?
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Post by sean on Oct 18, 2022 7:53:45 GMT -5
For rules, how about using the Generals Handbook 2021? Because of the pandemic I got to play like two games out of it. And I feel like it was generally perceived as well balanced? Encouraging monsters, but also giving you a bonus for killing them.
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Post by dave on Oct 18, 2022 10:45:55 GMT -5
I liked 2021. It wasn't perfect, but it was fun, and not really any more complicated than the core rules made it. A few of the battle tactics were likely too easy, but when everyone has access to them, it's not that big of a deal. Hunters of the heartland also made dealing with monsters easier than they are today. Choosing three units to be immune to rampages was pretty helpful.
Hopefully everyone can lay their hands on a copy of those rules. Even if you don't have a book, they should be available online? Having access to the missions isn't as important if they can get posted along with the start of each round of the league.
There's also the matched play battle pack from the core book. It's not open play, but might be a bit boring if people are into the spice that the GHBs bring to the game.
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Post by Hi I'm Derek on Oct 18, 2022 13:36:36 GMT -5
Any idea when this league would be starting?
Probably like second week of november since the interest is there.
So - lots and lots of good ideas so what we think makes sense here is to throw up a new thread that includes a poll that captures ideally most of the stuff we talked about here I'll go back through to make sure I catch it all. That, at least, will tell us maybe what people don't to do even if we can't get a perfect consensus!
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Post by Yatesie on Oct 18, 2022 13:42:16 GMT -5
I'm interested in this league as well. Main challenge for me is scheduling, which is why it's nice to hear things are so open. I've got two young kids and my wife is a nurse so we don't exactly have a "regular" schedule. I can try to work around it as best as I can, and I'm happy to play host as well as I've got a table, mats, and plenty of terrain as well (I'm in the west end as well). Any idea when this league would be starting? If all works out, thinking of a November 7th start. The league would look something like this... Week 1 - November 7-20 Week 2 - November 21-December 4 Week 3 - December 5-18 Take a two week break for the holidays Week 4 - January 2-15 Week 5 - January 16-29 Week 6 - January 30-February 12 Just need to make some concrete framework before we start but sounds like there's 15 people or so interested! |
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Post by MagnusTheThicc on Oct 18, 2022 17:51:12 GMT -5
If all this talk of banishing that vile and horrid priority roll to the deepest bowels of hell where it belongs is true, I would certainly be interested in rolling in the mud with you boys. I tell you h'what.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Oct 18, 2022 18:04:09 GMT -5
If all this talk of banishing that vile and horrid priority roll to the deepest bowels of hell where it belongs is true, I would certainly be interested in rolling in the mud with you boys. I tell you h'what. it's certainly banished in any game I play. biggest thing that's prevented AOS from taking off locally in my opinion, as it's what is complained about the most (not just by me). Doesn't matter how many times they try to "balance" such an unbalanced rule... it is always a feels bad moment when it happens. |
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Post by dave on Oct 18, 2022 20:07:25 GMT -5
I have no issue with the priority roll, but I also have no issue playing without it. My main gripe is number of drops determining first turn priority. Not a meta game/list building constraint that I care to engage in.
So I'm always down for a straight 40k style game.
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