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Post by trantos01 on Jan 27, 2023 18:07:47 GMT -5
-Looks at the missile marines- ....A rotary belt-fed missile launcher with a bigger launcher on top.....
I'm sorry, did Cawl rob a bunch of Flash Gitz for their guns? Because that is one of the most Orky weapons I've ever seen not being used by a greenskin.
As for the P.Lieutenant, with the number of versions out there; is it possible to make a legal list containing nothing but variations of the Lieutenants?
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Post by Hi I'm Derek on Jan 27, 2023 18:33:42 GMT -5
They are orky, aren't they?
My thought was Quake/Doom. Or GI Joe maybe lul.
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Post by question on Jan 27, 2023 20:35:21 GMT -5
Soooo many lieutenants and captains. There really should be an officers only type of unit. I sometimes use mine as more identifiable sergeants.
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Post by lightcavalier on Jan 27, 2023 21:50:50 GMT -5
They are orky, aren't they? My thought was Quake/Doom. Or GI Joe maybe lul. It's like an ork was put in charge of Raytheon's R&D division |
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Post by lightcavalier on Jan 27, 2023 21:53:20 GMT -5
Soooo many lieutenants and captains. There really should be an officers only type of unit. I sometimes use mine as more identifiable sergeants. I think the point of this kit is to be able to eliminate most of the one off limited run Lt kits, wouldn't be surprised to see the same with power armoured captains. Yes they released a silly amount of them, but having 1-2 going forward instead of 5+ is a good thing in the long run |
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Post by dapperswain on Jan 31, 2023 12:54:32 GMT -5
I guess I'm the only one who likes how wacky those Desolation marines look? Realism be damned - give me belt-fed missile rifles!
If I can get my hands on a March of Iron box for maximum dreadnought action, I will buy the Agastus box for a matched set. Those two boxes will probably be in the 1500 point range, leaving room for some customization.
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Post by Hi I'm Derek on Jan 31, 2023 13:23:46 GMT -5
You are one of the few! These have the most negative primaris reaction I've seen, and we've had a few (techmarine turret, snowshoe jetbois...)
Belt feeding isn't inherently stupid, it just is... in this case. It needs a bigger ammo compartment, probably integrated with the backpack like devs, atm the feed would be heavier than the ammo! It also makes little sense for the missiles to be in a revolving cylinder that restocks from a feed, makes them look unrelated because it's basically two different types of loaders smashed together randomly. It's like a gun drawn by Rob Liefeld, just covered in nonfunctional gribblies.
Happy to override a desire for mild believability for rule of cool (I mean, it's a space marine unit!), but a launcher that looks like Johnny Five's face is just way too goofy. These legitimately look sillier than like rogue trader era quad combis or flying toilet landspeeders but without the nostalgia factor.
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Post by dapperswain on Jan 31, 2023 17:00:46 GMT -5
You are one of the few! These have the most negative primaris reaction I've seen, and we've had a few (techmarine turret, snowshoe jetbois...) Belt feeding isn't inherently stupid, it just is... in this case. It needs a bigger ammo compartment, probably integrated with the backpack like devs, atm the feed would be heavier than the ammo! It also makes little sense for the missiles to be in a revolving cylinder that restocks from a feed, makes them look unrelated because it's basically two different types of loaders smashed together randomly. It's like a gun drawn by Rob Liefeld, just covered in nonfunctional gribblies. Happy to override a desire for mild believability for rule of cool (I mean, it's a space marine unit!), but a launcher that looks like Johnny Five's face is just way too goofy. These legitimately look sillier than like rogue trader era quad combis or flying toilet landspeeders but without the nostalgia factor. See, this is why I can't take loyalist space marines seriously...  I was looking at the COFFIN BASED PUNCHBOT and ROTARY BELT-FED DOUBLE STACKED ROCKET LAUNCHERS and thought finally, a marine army for me. Mix that in with the dreadnoughts in the Iron Hands Strike Force box, and I can eventually build a THE CHONK IS STRONK list of dreads, tanks, and techmarines. I'm still learning the 40K discourse. Marine players are looking for the sci-fi filtered military realism that Imperial Guard leans into? (I'll keep my AdMech: where my fast attack options are chicken-limbed robot walkers, cyborg canine cavalry, and Da Vinci styled flyers with bat wings and jetpacks.) |
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jan 31, 2023 17:38:39 GMT -5
Cool models are in the eye of the beholder of course... if you like them - awesome!
plus chonk is stronk sounds like a cool list!
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Post by Hi I'm Derek on Jan 31, 2023 17:51:51 GMT -5
I think the reality is that marine players are just 40k players. I assume it hasn't changed but for a long time people who didn't have space marines were a small minority, most long-time players having multiple forces which almost invariably included some marines. That level of player diversity tends to mean the safest designs are the most popular. Even back in the day weird lookin units like storm ravens and centurions were super unpopular compared to the more familiar stuff. GW ran on tactical marine sales for 20 years, now they run on intercessor sales! I don't think this is bad, marines having a safe and consistent design aesthetic is part of their lasting appeal. Wacky or unrecognizably alien designs fit into plenty of other ranges much more comfortably - like I wouldn't expect a space marine ornithoper to be a hit either even though it landed in admech. All that said... these things aren't unpopular because of any *particular* reason, they're unpopular because of a laundry list of terrible characteristics that will have them on a list of ugliest models in warhammer's history for the next few decades. They're not just unrealistic or implausible- they look clumsy and almost like an incoherent hodgepodge of details an AI would stitch together and fail to draw from the design cues of the faction while being bolted to an otherwise uninspired intercessor 'bod. A terrible combination of boring, ugly and nonsensical. But obviously if you like them you stand in the unique position to benefit from the fact that people are going to have to buy a bunch of them to get the robots. Depending on how long it takes for those standalone dreads to show up there may be a lot of desolators (lol at this point we're literally just recycling the names of Stormcast units) on the market!
Edit: Also Shannon's point is a very good one. I like old stumpy firstborn marines and nobody can persuade me primaris look better no matter how well reasoned their arguments about proportions, scale or detailing. There's no accounting for taste, so even if the whole world hates these guys what difference does that make to you? Not a whit, I'd wager.
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Post by dapperswain on Jan 31, 2023 19:47:29 GMT -5
Oh, I need no convincing, I'm just surprised most people don't like the look of these guys. I'm just a big fan of anything that subverts the grimdark aesthetic of 40k. These ridiculous rocket-men are right up my alley.
I'm more trying to convince myself to pick up this army. I have zero space marines, so this is a fresh start. To make it worthwhile, I'd aim to pick up two discount strike force boxes - including the Agastus one. I want that Brutalis Dreadnought as much as anyone else!
Without the discounts on the army boxes, I'm not as interested in a loyalist space marine army. I already have Thousand Sons from Christmas to paint, so these would go to the bottom of the pile of impending glory.
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Post by thatguythere on Jan 31, 2023 19:50:43 GMT -5
I think the reality is that marine players are just 40k players. I assume it hasn't changed but for a long time people who didn't have space marines were a small minority... [/div][/quote] That's... fascinating. I have no interest in any Marines. I have a ranked list of "post Tyranid" armies, and there's no Marines in the top 5. Otoh, that would explain why there's soooo damn many of them. |
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jan 31, 2023 20:02:56 GMT -5
They're in every box set and the cheapest army to get into, which is why most people have them at some point. Hell I even have some actual marines. They sit on a shelf and I never play them lol... but I do own the models...hmmm maybe I should sell those salamanders to think of it, since I actually never play them...
I'm just not a marine guy... but I understand WHY there's lots of marine players.
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Post by lightcavalier on Jan 31, 2023 20:30:33 GMT -5
I will say as much as I dislike them I bet I'll still buy them since I'm a shill For sure, ill get at least one box, so ill probably paint up the two units you get, if i play them will depend on if they can beat out eradicators for the heavy slot THeyll be intersting for sure....because they will always have ancilliary anti-infantry capability (from the indirect capable castellan launchers) even when configured for anti-tank Given the naming conventions I have to assume that "super-krak" is going to be in the vicinity of lascannon in terms of Strength, AP, and/or Damage....since it has to be better than a Krak missile |
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Post by Hi I'm Derek on Jan 31, 2023 20:37:52 GMT -5
Yeah we have a few explicitly non-marine players in Kingston (of which the Four Armed Emperor here is probably the most notable example lol). I think "I really dislike marines" is a much more discreet player segment than the alternative.
While marines are certainly iconic, I think a big chunk of it has less to do with any intrinsic popularity of marines and more to do with the fact that once you become a multi-army player, marines just sort of... materialize. Like you stay in this hobby long enough I guarantee you will be presented with opportunities to pick up marines at rock bottom prices. GW floods the market with discount boxes and it brings in new players who often don't stick resulting in an endless deluge of second hand models bouncing around.
A painting guy I follow on youtube I remember saying in a video he uses a lot of intercessor sculpts for tutorials because he can pick them up second hand for like a buck a bod' or something. Been like that since forever. Anyone remember when GW proudly put a splash in white dwarf that said the fighting uruk-hai had been the only kit in history to out-sell the tactical marine box? (and only that one year lol)
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