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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Feb 3, 2023 14:46:16 GMT -5
Rumour from Faeit: natfka.blogspot.com/2023/02/rumors-2023-year-of-boxsets-10th.htmlGot another rumor set that includes mention of 10th Edition Warhammer 40k via a solid source on Faeit 212 2023 will be something like "the Year of Box Sets" for Games Workshop. New Two Player Sets for Necromunda, Blood Bowl and something I'm not sure if it's EPIC or Adeptus Titanicus (at the End of the Year). There will be also another two Player Set for AoS. With the 10th Edition of 40k, GW plan something new; There will not only just a two Player Launch Box with Space Marines and Tyranids and their known "3-lvl Set Concept" following after but also new 1 Player Starters which seems to be like those Patrol Sets but with Dices, a Rulebook ect. which will follow after the release. I guess they will be something like "cheap" copies of Conquest "Taster Sets" with a minimum of Miniatures to play a legal army. Not to forget the next season for Kill Team. They will also test a new concept of limited miniature releases, you only can buy via your local stores and not via the GW Webshop. Those Miniatures will be similary to single Characters / HQ-choices or those Monthly shop miniatures you get with coins.
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Post by dapperswain on Feb 3, 2023 17:03:01 GMT -5
Rumour from Faeit: natfka.blogspot.com/2023/02/rumors-2023-year-of-boxsets-10th.htmlGot another rumor set that includes mention of 10th Edition Warhammer 40k via a solid source on Faeit 212 2023 will be something like "the Year of Box Sets" for Games Workshop. New Two Player Sets for Necromunda, Blood Bowl and something I'm not sure if it's EPIC or Adeptus Titanicus (at the End of the Year). There will be also another two Player Set for AoS. With the 10th Edition of 40k, GW plan something new; There will not only just a two Player Launch Box with Space Marines and Tyranids and their known "3-lvl Set Concept" following after but also new 1 Player Starters which seems to be like those Patrol Sets but with Dices, a Rulebook ect. which will follow after the release. I guess they will be something like "cheap" copies of Conquest "Taster Sets" with a minimum of Miniatures to play a legal army. Not to forget the next season for Kill Team. They will also test a new concept of limited miniature releases, you only can buy via your local stores and not via the GW Webshop. Those Miniatures will be similary to single Characters / HQ-choices or those Monthly shop miniatures you get with coins. I wonder what the premium would be on the Single Player Starter boxes to cover the dice and rulebook(s)? I certainly wouldn't mind seeing a stripped down 10th edition faction codex that's GW legal in a starter box. I have doubts about the single character models available in GW stores. My understanding is that many people are left with IOU slips for later delivery after the anniversary models sell out in each store. If I'm in Kingston, I don't want to make a second trip to Toronto or Ottawa to pick up some monthly special character. Wait a minute: I'm an absolute avaricious goblin for nice looking exclusive models - of course I'm going to try and get some if they're relevant...
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Post by lightcavalier on Feb 3, 2023 20:49:25 GMT -5
Rumour from Faeit: natfka.blogspot.com/2023/02/rumors-2023-year-of-boxsets-10th.htmlGot another rumor set that includes mention of 10th Edition Warhammer 40k via a solid source on Faeit 212 2023 will be something like "the Year of Box Sets" for Games Workshop. New Two Player Sets for Necromunda, Blood Bowl and something I'm not sure if it's EPIC or Adeptus Titanicus (at the End of the Year). There will be also another two Player Set for AoS. With the 10th Edition of 40k, GW plan something new; There will not only just a two Player Launch Box with Space Marines and Tyranids and their known "3-lvl Set Concept" following after but also new 1 Player Starters which seems to be like those Patrol Sets but with Dices, a Rulebook ect. which will follow after the release. I guess they will be something like "cheap" copies of Conquest "Taster Sets" with a minimum of Miniatures to play a legal army. Not to forget the next season for Kill Team. They will also test a new concept of limited miniature releases, you only can buy via your local stores and not via the GW Webshop. Those Miniatures will be similary to single Characters / HQ-choices or those Monthly shop miniatures you get with coins. I wonder what the premium would be on the Single Player Starter boxes to cover the dice and rulebook(s)? I certainly wouldn't mind seeing a stripped down 10th edition faction codex that's GW legal in a starter box. I have doubts about the single character models available in GW stores. My understanding is that many people are left with IOU slips for later delivery after the anniversary models sell out in each store. If I'm in Kingston, I don't want to make a second trip to Toronto or Ottawa to pick up some monthly special character. Wait a minute: I'm an absolute avaricious goblin for nice looking exclusive models - of course I'm going to try and get some if they're relevant...I can almost guarantee they won't put codexes (even stripped down ones) in an army box If they materializs it'll be a get started in terms of pure new player....dice, maybe a measuring tool, ~500 pts of models, and the core rules with a pamphlet that has the rules for the models in the box
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Post by Frosty the Pirate on Feb 4, 2023 9:49:04 GMT -5
Yeah there's zero chance the codexes are in the starter boxes. they want them to be accessible, which means they'll put 10 dice, an 18" measuring stick/ruler, models, and some flat-card terrain pieces in the basic one, and add some more models and some plastic terrain kits to the more advanced ones.
10th at this point is really their chance to change/update the core rules and implement some of the other player feedback they likely got from the big survey prior to the dataslate/season implementation. I'd guess we'll see some rework of stratagems, maybe a change in how power-level-vs-points works, and any changes around the terrain keywords they deem necessary to improve the base game, as well as new eternal-war missions. Everything else updates on an already recurring cycle at this point. I wouldn't be surprised to see some of the improvements made in the season packs incorporated into the base game, like the Arks of Omen Detachment for example.
Honestly, there are almost no rules outside of the core dice-mechanics that didn't get a major change or rework in 9th already, I can't see them thinking we'll pay $50 or $100 for a new rulebook with essentially the same rules reprinted. I expect more of like a 9.25 or 9.5 than a 10th.
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Post by Khalai on Feb 5, 2023 7:47:21 GMT -5
You really think so? 9th was an edition that didn't invalidate old codexes. The changes really were minor compared to some editions. I'd hope for a major rework that requires indexes because the changes are that big. But that's just a hope really based on previous even numbered editions and the fact that I didn't really care for the evolution of 8th through 9th.
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Post by lightcavalier on Feb 5, 2023 11:20:20 GMT -5
You really think so? 9th was an edition that didn't invalidate old codexes. The changes really were minor compared to some editions. I'd hope for a major rework that requires indexes because the changes are that big. But that's just a hope really based on previous even numbered editions and the fact that I didn't really care for the evolution of 8th through 9th. The only revolutionary even numbered edition was 8th 2nd was fundamentally a refinement of RT 4th was a linear derivative of 3rd (some armies never even got a codex in 40k and kept using their 3e one) 6th was quite literally 5.1 (but somehow worse) Out of 9 editions codexes have only been invalidated writ large twice (3rd and 8th)
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Post by Khalai on Feb 5, 2023 15:06:08 GMT -5
Yea that's fair. I started playing in second and took a break throughout 5th, so I guess that's why 6th felt so different. I was thinking 3, 6, 8.
Agree about 4th though. You might not even have noticed.
I guess it just feels like it's due for a shakeup to me.
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Post by thatguythere on Feb 5, 2023 16:25:16 GMT -5
As a never-played-before player who started in 9th, with an 8th ed codex...
A full, your-Codex-is-incompatible reset would be ... a tough pill to swallow.
I also keep hearing, "simplify simplify simplify", but I'd say the game is overcomplicated by ... 15-20% at most.
(I would lose half the strats, turning some of them into unit / model abilites that cost a CP.)
(I also want it to be easier to make my Sisters-with-a-Knight secondary army work, but that seems ... ... unlikely.)
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Feb 5, 2023 16:50:21 GMT -5
looks at shelf filled with expensive codexes
no, I never want to have that index world ever again. Buying rules for 10th then having to buy rules for 10th will feel about as crappy as when I had to do it in 8th.
should they ACTUALLY just have xenos, imperium and chaos matched play books with the rules for all the armies similar to what they did with heresy? Yes. Do that. Do exactly that. There can be some general fluff in there (intro page for each of the armies etc.), but give us all the rules at once, armies balanced against everyone else properly from the beginning. Then no one has to languish for a year with outdated rules til they get their codex.
everyone gets one page of strats for their army. ONE. That's it. Then you have general strats that everyone can take (extra warlord trait, relics, etc.). You then get to have your special cool stuff, but it isn't five pages of nonsense.
You can do the same sets of books with just crusade rules for everyone too if you want to support that format, as there's many that enjoy it.
Have the general rules in the chapter approved book. That way you need your book of rules, and your chapter approved to play the game. That's it, that's all. Give us three years of that.
...what, a guy can dream
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Post by Frosty the Pirate on Feb 6, 2023 6:44:44 GMT -5
The other thing I forgot to mention is the game balance. They've worked for the better part of 18 months now with the dataslate and grand tournament packs to create a balanced game environment. I can't see them throwing all that work away in a new edition without a major major purpose.
I honestly wouldn't even be surprised if they did "indexes" for 10th, but it was more just an updated FAQ to fix any keywords and special abilities that got broken by any changes to the core rules, and given the streamlining principals honestly they could probably randomly delete half the strategems in most of the codexes and you'd see nearly no impacts for most books.
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Post by thatguythere on Feb 6, 2023 11:45:12 GMT -5
A second aside, from a Newb, if you'll pardon.
I've relatively rapidly joined a number of fan clusters for 40k - this board, a Tyranids-specific discord, a "competitive Tyranids" FB group, a lore FB group, a meme FB group, several subreddits.
It is fascinating, as someone of relatively low investment in the rules and no Warhammer edition cycles under my belt, to see each group look at the same tea leaves and propose that they're evidence of radically different, if not diametrically opposed, "plans" for 10th. Each group has become confident and assured of a slightly (or radically!) different truth.
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Which, to my understanding, is pretty lore-accurate.
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Post by Hi I'm Derek on Feb 6, 2023 13:21:19 GMT -5
The reality is that GW's decisions are often so baffling and unpredictable that even with the full scope of available information you couldn't predict what they're going to do next. Part of this, based on what insiders have said on different occasions, seems to be institutional momentum. GW is big and sluggish so you might think 'well we've known this for a year, how could they not?' but the relevant choice was locked in during a planning session 18 months prior.
Is the World Eaters book a preview of 10th design policy? Or was it just written on somebody's lunch break? Who knows! Neither, both, anything's possible!
They're a notoriously opaque company, and they love it because it helps them drive the hype around leaks and teasers.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Feb 8, 2023 9:58:13 GMT -5
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Post by Hi I'm Derek on Feb 8, 2023 10:20:28 GMT -5
Boy that's one of the longest auspex vids I've seen! Something for my lunch break.
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Post by dapperswain on Feb 9, 2023 10:58:48 GMT -5
looks at shelf filled with expensive codexes no, I never want to have that index world ever again. Buying rules for 10th then having to buy rules for 10th will feel about as crappy as when I had to do it in 8th. should they ACTUALLY just have xenos, imperium and chaos matched play books with the rules for all the armies similar to what they did with heresy? Yes. Do that. Do exactly that. There can be some general fluff in there (intro page for each of the armies etc.), but give us all the rules at once, armies balanced against everyone else properly from the beginning. Then no one has to languish for a year with outdated rules til they get their codex. everyone gets one page of strats for their army. ONE. That's it. Then you have general strats that everyone can take (extra warlord trait, relics, etc.). You then get to have your special cool stuff, but it isn't five pages of nonsense. You can do the same sets of books with just crusade rules for everyone too if you want to support that format, as there's many that enjoy it. Have the general rules in the chapter approved book. That way you need your book of rules, and your chapter approved to play the game. That's it, that's all. Give us three years of that. ...what, a guy can dream I'm of the personal and potentially ill-informed opinion that the base rules should be digital and cost nothing - including faction codex information. Print prestige books in physical format for those who want art and fiction, or just a display piece. Mandate physical books for official tournaments if desired. I've learned more about the game from online sources - well indexed and searchable resources that make it easy to find the rules I'm looking for. I shouldn't have to pay for an opponent's codex just to understand what units they can field. Hell, I've been more interested in buying and building more armies from being able to view the army rules and being able to build draft lists. In my brief time in this hobby, I've seen multiple books contain invalidated rules before reaching customers. I've seen books with rules sell out immediately, never to be reprinted. It's ridiculous. If the game will be treated like a digital product with frequent updates and patches, it should be released in the same digital manner.
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