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Post by harryf on Mar 1, 2023 21:50:54 GMT -5
The battle cannon is probably the second best turret honestly, if we don't count the relic cannon, the difference is that the plasma cannon isn't "strictly better" than the vanquisher or the punisher, they're different weapons, the plasma cannon is better in terms of overall effectiveness into a blind matchup but there exists situations where a punisher is better than the plasma, whereas there is no world where the battle cannon is better than the plasma (other than very narrow hammer and anvil deployment cases where you need the reach)
Its fine to have options that are more situational than others (hell I like deathstrikes, they're my secret tech against tau), its just a bad GW design choice to have one weapon being just a better version than the other.
I'm not even sure if changing Gunners Kill On Sight does anything, say it gets changed to the same as take aim (+1 BS), the average turret still will just cause one mortal a turn.
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Post by lightcavalier on Mar 2, 2023 5:34:32 GMT -5
-Riptide wing slotted into eldar -D weapon Eldar -bark bark star 5th edition guard leaf blower
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Post by distractedcarnifex on Mar 2, 2023 6:56:04 GMT -5
-Riptide wing slotted into eldar -D weapon Eldar -bark bark star 5th edition guard leaf blower I misted up just now...
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Post by Hi I'm Derek on Mar 2, 2023 9:02:32 GMT -5
The main problem with the Guard book seems to be that the internal balance is bad rather than the external balance being a problem. They can tone down some of the clear best choices and instead make some of the bad choices better. S9 battle cannons would be a good start, as is plasmas are basically just strictly better. Saying a Battle Cannon is a "bad choice" is hilarious to me. In any other army, that'd be a really nice main weapon. It really highlights how insanely broken good the other turret options are. Maybe removing re-rolls so plasma is actually dangerous, and/or removing some shots volume from the "clear winner" category would help balance into other variants. Plasma rerolls have always been goofy, just like 'plasma overheats more at night' was in 8th.
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