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Post by calitom on Jun 29, 2023 20:42:26 GMT -5
After taking a break for 9th Edition figure it's time to get the vampy bois back in action. First list is purely theorycraft and will change as I play a bit, but has some stuff that looks cool to me and a couple things that kind of stand out as "aggressively costed" in general.
Blood Angels
Gladius Task Force 1995 points
Primaris Apothecary 55
Bolter discipline 25
Chaplain in Terminator armor 90
Captain in Gravis armor 95
The Honour Vehement 15
Boltstorm gauntlet
Power fist + Relic fist
Librarian Dreadnought 185
Meltagun
3 Inceptors 115
3 Plasma exterminator
5 Death Company with Jump packs 155
2 Thunder hammer
3 Power fist + Plasma pistol
5 Heavy Intercessors 110
1 Heavy bolter
6 Eradicators 190
2 Multi-melta
5 Assault Terminators 200
5 Thunder hammer + Storm shield
10 Desolation Squad 340
9 Superkrak rocket launcher
Vengor launcher
Gladiator Lancer 145
2 Fragstorm grenade launcher
Ironhail heavy stubber
Icarus rocket pod
Land Raider 275
Multi-melta
Hunter-killer missile
Listed optional wargear, the rest is all bog standard or assumed to be what the unit comes with plus what I wrote for their optional wargear.
Sanguinary Guard kind of got gutted points-wise for what they are stats wise and melee just looks weaker in general this edition so looking for cool things to add in otherwise think this is a solid starting point to test some options and work towards an all-comers style list. Testing a small Death Company unit to see how killy they are, Desolation Squad with bolter drill seems auto include, Gravis marines seem super sweet so I wanna try em out. Gladiator Lancer also seems to be an aggressively costed model for general use. Future games will see trying named characters, though most of their unit joining options kind of blow tbh so might not use them until actual codex or errata comes out for that.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jun 29, 2023 21:06:55 GMT -5
Looks like you've definitely hit the highlights on what is solid. Have to agree on the Sang guard costing is just a bit too high for what they do. (and melee in general is definitely less powerful than in 9th)
Been on the receiving end of that Lancer and it did work. Termies are solid, especially with some chaplain support. Eradicators are of course amazing. Desolation marines you're right, auto-include.
Looks like a solid start to a list - get some practice games in and you'll quickly decide what needs to get cut - but everything seems to have a role here.
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Post by calitom on Sept 12, 2023 0:48:58 GMT -5
New stuff with some points changes, looking at some list ideas and debating big Terminator brick vs having some more vehicles and other stuff.
Here's list 1 :
(2000 points)Blood Angels
Gladius Task Force
CHARACTER
Apothecary Biologis (80 points)
• Enhancement: Bolter Discipline
Captain in Gravis Armour (95 points)
• Warlord
• 1x Boltstorm gauntlet
1x Power fist
1x Relic fist
• Enhancement: The Honour Vehement
Lemartes (110 points)
Librarian in Terminator Armour (90 points)
BATTLELINE
Intercessor Squad (85 points)
• 1x Intercessor Sergeant
• 1x Bolt pistol
1x Bolt rifle
1x Power fist
• 4x Intercessor
• 1x Astartes grenade launcher
4x Bolt pistol
4x Bolt rifle
4x Close combat weapon
OTHER DATASHEETS
Aggressor Squad (200 points)
• 1x Aggressor Sergeant
• 1x Auto boltstorm gauntlets
1x Fragstorm grenade launcher
1x Power fist
• 5x Aggressor
• 5x Auto boltstorm gauntlets
5x Fragstorm grenade launcher
5x Power fist
Death Company Dreadnought (165 points)
• 1x Meltagun
1x Storm bolter
1x Twin Furioso fists
Death Company Marines with Jump Packs (260 points)
• 10x Death Company Marine with Jump Pack
• 8x Inferno pistol
8x Power fist
2x Thunder hammer
Eliminator Squad (75 points)
• 1x Eliminator Sergeant
• 1x Las fusil
• 2x Eliminator
• 2x Las fusil
Eliminator Squad (75 points)
• 1x Eliminator Sergeant
• 1x Las fusil
• 2x Eliminator
• 2x Las fusil
Inceptor Squad (115 points)
• 1x Inceptor Sergeant
• 1x Assault bolters
1x Close combat weapon
• 2x Inceptor
• 2x Assault bolters
2x Close combat weapon
Infiltrator Squad (100 points)
• 1x Infiltrator Sergeant
• 4x Infiltrator
• 1x Helix Gauntlet
1x Infiltrator Comms Array
Librarian Dreadnought (170 points)
• 1x Blood Lance
1x Furioso fist
1x Furioso force halberd
1x Meltagun
Terminator Squad (380 points)
• 1x Terminator Sergeant
• 1x Power weapon
1x Storm bolter
• 9x Terminator
• 2x Assault cannon
2x Chainfist
7x Power fist
7x Storm bolter
2nd List with no Termies looks like this at the moment, which I like a lot actually :
(2000 points)Blood Angels
Gladius Task Force
CHARACTER
Apothecary Biologis (80 points)
• Enhancement: Bolter Discipline
Captain in Gravis Armour (95 points)
• Warlord
• 1x Boltstorm gauntlet
1x Power fist
1x Relic fist
• Enhancement: The Honour Vehement
Chief Librarian Mephiston (110 points)
Lemartes (110 points)
BATTLELINE
Intercessor Squad (170 points)
• 1x Intercessor Sergeant
• 1x Bolt pistol
1x Bolt rifle
1x Power fist
• 9x Intercessor
• 2x Astartes grenade launcher
9x Bolt pistol
9x Bolt rifle
9x Close combat weapon
OTHER DATASHEETS
Aggressor Squad (200 points)
• 1x Aggressor Sergeant
• 1x Auto boltstorm gauntlets
1x Fragstorm grenade launcher
1x Power fist
• 5x Aggressor
• 5x Auto boltstorm gauntlets
5x Fragstorm grenade launcher
5x Power fist
Baal Predator (125 points)
• 1x Armoured tracks
1x Baal flamestorm cannon
2x Heavy flamer
1x Hunter-killer missile
1x Storm bolter
Death Company Dreadnought (165 points)
• 1x Meltagun
1x Storm bolter
1x Twin Furioso fists
Death Company Marines with Jump Packs (260 points)
• 10x Death Company Marine with Jump Pack
• 8x Inferno pistol
8x Power fist
2x Thunder hammer
Eliminator Squad (75 points)
• 1x Eliminator Sergeant
• 1x Las fusil
• 2x Eliminator
• 2x Las fusil
Eliminator Squad (75 points)
• 1x Eliminator Sergeant
• 1x Las fusil
• 2x Eliminator
• 2x Las fusil
Inceptor Squad (115 points)
• 1x Inceptor Sergeant
• 1x Close combat weapon
1x Plasma exterminators
• 2x Inceptor
• 2x Close combat weapon
2x Plasma exterminators
Infiltrator Squad (100 points)
• 1x Infiltrator Sergeant
• 4x Infiltrator
1x Helix Gauntlet
1x Infiltrator Comms Array
Invictor Tactical Warsuit (150 points)
• 1x Fragstorm grenade launcher
1x Heavy bolter
1x Invictor fist
1x Twin ironhail autocannon
1x Twin ironhail heavy stubber
Librarian Dreadnought (170 points)
• 1x Blood Lance
1x Furioso fist
1x Furioso force halberd
1x Meltagun
Edited to take out pointless wargear mentions. Both lists have some flexibility to them, so much stuff to mess around with now with the index. Obviously some choices might change a little after the Space Marine codex comes out but just some thoughts.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Sept 12, 2023 6:06:52 GMT -5
Both seem solid... I'm leaning towards list two though, even though terminators are quite good now.
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Post by calitom on Sept 15, 2023 22:12:59 GMT -5
Sadly I'm not sure if I want to bring Mephiston. The units he attaches to just don't really seem worth bringing in 10 man sizes. Got another couple lists I'm looking at, gonna be rebuilding DC and such so can test them hopefully sometime later this month. Very touch and go until the codex comes out though since it'll change some stuff for me probably.
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