As close to balanced as 10th has been

[Jack Shrapnel]

Only three armies outside the 45-55% range

and the furthest someone is out of that range is 2%

did GW... like actually do it? 60,000 games since the dataslate isn't a small number, so likely fairly representative...


www.warhammer-community.com/2023/10/19/warhammer-40000-metawatch-sisters-of-battle-triumph-in-tampa/

[raceygaming]

It's weird to me that orks are outside the 55% win rate. I do really think that this is more a reflection of an anti-meta pick then a overpowered index.

Orks play,really well into some of the most common Meta armies like necrons, marines, GCS and with nerfs to custodes and eldar thier two weakest matchs they are left in a good place.

I'm hoping that they will leave orks alone for now since they have a code early 2024.

[Jack Shrapnel]

and they're only JUST outside of the range, so I can't really see Orks getting much tuning when they're this close to being in the "good range" (I mean my tyrannofexes are screaming at me from their shelf right now saying that means nothing but we'll ignore them, just like when listbuilding)

I agree with you, they're a spoiler-army against some pretty popular armies so that definitely helps their ranking.

[zhivas]

While the win rates are much better now, 10th is still lacking in inter faction balance (i.e. certain factions are really good / bad into certain other factions) Orks as a whole are relatively flat across the board in terms of matchups and sometimes a large number of t5+ bodies with reasonable OC and melee get there when the meta is all anti vehicle. It's the same principle behind why votann suddenly spiked in win rate. They're suddenly able to put hordes of stuff in the list.

Now that the armies have started to become closer in win rate, the hope is that some of the glaring internal balance issues and ridiculously skewed matchups get fixed as well. I've attached a matchup matrix for reference.

[Frosty the Pirate]

Aeldari definitely need a fine-tune pass to fix the remaining internal balance issues after the big-nerfs. The 40k App might as well just put an Avatar and a Farseer on foot in your list as soon as you create it right now, they'll need to add some tax-points to a few datasheets that are just goodstuff picks you would be hard to justify leaving the craftworld without right now.

The Nightspinner in particular I don't think can be balanced with points. You increase it further than it already has, and suddenly it'll fall into that 'unplayable bad and no one will touch it' category. I suspect they will have to adjust it's special rules in some way.


I'm honestly shocked Tau are as low as they are, I was expecting Aeldari/Tau to be 1/2 with some distance to 3rd.

I think some of the lower end factions will end up trailing off below that 45% range before January through. Drukhari, Blood Angels, and Custodes will probably all need a boost to feel a bit better. Drukhari in particular will probably need rules fixes given the hefty points drop they already got has only got them to 44%.