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Post by drew on Feb 20, 2024 17:18:41 GMT -5
I've been thinking through everything now that I've had a couple of days to recover. I was a bit too wired still to come up with answers yesterday
1. What do you think went well this year?
Probably have 2 answers to this: Best table was awesome this year, some cool themes and awesome terrain (I'll be the 2nd person to call out the titan legs... those were fantastic even if I never got to play on that specific table.
And 2nd, having Tabletop Live streaming was super cool, I've had a bit of a chance to see some of the stream and I've seen and heard people on various forums talking about our event, so it felt cool to see Kingston being represented to the world. (The dice weren't in my favor, but maybe next year I'll see myself on stream)
2. Was there something that particularly made your individual experience better?
This one was tough, as its hard to nail down specifics. Probably having the tournament run on bcp, making it easy to check pairings and lists, submit scores and see standings. Otherwise, maybe a bit of a personal thing, but I loved the painting requirement, it really gave me extra motivation over the last few weeks to get my models done in time.
3. What did you think about having tabletop live there?
Loved it, its great to be able to check out after the weekend, and its awesome for people who couldn't make it. Also the team were super friendly. If they wanna come back next year, I fully support it
4. Did a fuller incorporation of BCP improve your experience?
Yes, see question 2 (part a I guess?)
5. Did you like the ability to see lists on BCP before the tournament?
I love the option. Its great to be able to research potential match ups so you have an idea what you'll be up against. (Obviously once lists are in and locked, to avoid list tailoring)
6. How did you find signup this year? easier or more confusing? (ie: should it go back to being handled solely by Nexus, not BCP)
Sign up for the most part was simple enough for me. Little bit of a gap between registering on bcp and paying, but otherwise it went smoothly. I know some people had issues, but I didnt run into anything
7. Do you have any suggestions for how to handle last minute drop outs? (last minute means we cannot get someone off the wait list)
Theres gotta be some sort've penalty (barring certain circumstances likely), but Im not really sure how to implement it fairly. Otherwise I liked the idea of having someone being a ringer (like Dave was this year)
8. Is there anything we can do to improve the next one?
Considering a lot of what I saw in the tournament thread, my biggest suggestion would be a more enforced cutoff for list submissions.
And then something to help deal with drops, I've seen a couple of suggestions already, and my answer would basically just parrot those.
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Post by drew on Feb 20, 2024 17:43:02 GMT -5
Also, its already been addressed by Shannon and Andrew, so I wont say much else.
But I at least need to comment since I was mentioned. I'd set a goal to break even over the weekend. Pretty much just to feel out my list and prove myself. Had some amazing opponents, played some fantastic games. I lost my first 4 rounds. I made some errors throughout the weekend, I looked back and realized I'd forgotten to make better use of certain strats that would've improved things, or I'd kept a secondary for too long instead of giving it up. There were also some smart plays by my opponents that messed up my options. And at the end of the day its a dice game, I saw some really good rolls wipe most of my toughest squad in just 1 shooting phase. And I saw some saves I had no business making keeping a Ballistus Dreadnought around longer than it should've. I found some strengths to work with, and some weaknesses that I have to solve and thats my biggest take away.
I gave the weekend my all, but at the same time, I came to have a good time. So when Nick and I had a chance to just play a really wacky fun game and try to force the other player to win, I took it because it was a great way to unwind a bit at the lower tables. There wasnt any stakes anymore for me, and I was far from my goal for the weekend, but it was fun to use strategies Id normally use to win to try and force my opponent to score more points than me. We knew what we were getting into because we talked about it first, and it was great to just laugh about it and make weird plays. (Also Im glad we could give other people a laugh too).
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Post by cmcd on Feb 20, 2024 17:56:07 GMT -5
On the chat for the stream people were hoping the next game to stream was going to be the Warhound titan. Somehow word got out. Different tactic’s different play.
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Post by 3modlelist on Feb 20, 2024 18:07:27 GMT -5
On the chat for the stream people were hoping the next game to stream was going to be the Warhound titan. Somehow word got out. Different tactic’s different play. ya... guess they didn't want to bog the stream down with me. Meh... |
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Post by cmcd on Feb 20, 2024 18:26:01 GMT -5
Hey i am the king of Tanky lists.
No specific order
1. HELLHAMMER, STORMLORD, SHADOWSWORD
2. 2 X MONOLITHS, SILENT KING, OBELISK , PYLON
3. 2 REPULSER EXECUTIONERS , LAND RAIDER
4. 100 NECRON IMMORTALS.
and i was thinking of bringing
4 Hammerheads, 3 skyray, 3 devilfish, and 6 piranhas.
Im off topic. I like tanks, i like playing lists that make my opponent go, “ Hmmm. This is different.” Next year is going to be all Decepticons, not sure in tank form or suits. Its silly, but its fun.
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Post by raceygaming on Feb 20, 2024 18:29:27 GMT -5
Hey i am the king of Tanky lists. No specific order 1. HELLHAMMER, STORMLORD, SHADOWSWORD 2. 2 X MONOLITHS, SILENT KING, OBELISK , PYLON 3. 2 REPULSER EXECUTIONERS , LAND RAIDER 4. 100 NECRON IMMORTALS. and i was thinking of bringing 4 Hammerheads, 3 skyray, 3 devilfish, and 6 piranhas. Im off topic. I like tanks, i like playing lists that make my opponent go, “ Hmmm. This is different.” Next year is going to be all Decepticons, not sure in tank form or suits. Its silly, but its fun. I was very excited to see your tau. I think the Mech angle could be really cool. |
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Feb 20, 2024 19:10:53 GMT -5
On the chat for the stream people were hoping the next game to stream was going to be the Warhound titan. Somehow word got out. Different tactic’s different play. ya... guess they didn't want to bog the stream down with me. Meh... It was between you and another person to get on stream Game 4 and Tabletop Live made the decision. Nothing to do with you bogging down the stream or any other reason. Only so many games, and really only 10 people max could get the opportunity (and the finals were set by who was in the finals so I had no control over that one!) If they agree to come back I'll ensure that others that really want to be on there get a chance too. |
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Post by 3modlelist on Feb 20, 2024 19:19:10 GMT -5
If they come back we all know my extremely complicated and detailed list.....muhahahah
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Post by Broadcastle on Feb 20, 2024 19:50:12 GMT -5
Hey there, one of the last minute drop outs here.
I can’t speak to the rest of the people but the night of the tournament I came down with Norwalk Virus and as soon as I realized I wasn’t going to be able to make it I messaged in the forum. Not sure what I can do on an individual level to prevent that however I do understand that does hurt the tournament and the players on the wait list. To me an immediate tournament ban for something like that seems harsh. It’s my first year in the community so I don’t know the history of this in other tournaments. If this is a consistent issue you can give a warning which lasts for a year, and any further offence would result in a tournament ban, only being reversed after the year is up. The no refund seems entirely reasonable, you paid for your spot and didn’t show up, no refund.
No matter what the community wants to do on that matter I’m excited for the next tournament and next game. Having the livestream was a great chance to still engage and participate and I really enjoyed the death guard going up against what looked like an unbreakable wall of tanks!
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Post by voodoo on Feb 20, 2024 19:56:57 GMT -5
1. What do you think went well this year?
- I liked the addition of BCP, it was good and allowed for some deep dives on lists (that were uploaded).
2. Was there something that particularly made your individual experience better?
- Playing Shannon on the streaming table round 1 was super fun, added another layer of "don't fuck up" to an already tense game.
3. What did you think about having tabletop live there?
- I freaking loved it, thanked them lots and asked if they would consider coming back. Was also good in later matches to see how the game was going between Kevin & Henry without needing to interrupt play to do so.
4. Did a fuller incorporation of BCP improve your experience?
- YES! But, I feel like putting in some sort of penalty for not having your list in on time would help get everyone on the same playing field where some are able to be viewed and planned for while others were a myster up until morning of Day 1. It doesn't take long to do, and if it's a requirement, then there should be some metrics attached to not meeting said requirement.
5. Did you like the ability to see lists on BCP before the tournament?
- See #4
6. How did you find signup this year? easier or more confusing? (ie: should it go back to being handled solely by Nexus, not BCP)
- It was a bit janky to sign up on the Nexus page AND BCP; but I don't honestly know how we get the two to link up better when paying on one and registering on another.
7. Do you have any suggestions for how to handle last minute drop outs? (last minute means we cannot get someone off the wait list)
- Without people assuming there's going to be dropouts morning of, I'm not sure what else to do. Some things can't be planned for (like getting t-boned on the way to the tournament, flat tire, sick kid, etc, etc.); so maybe having a few of the standby list on hand to step in would be a good idea. Nexus will know in what order they signed up, so they should be able to reach out to "X" number of them to say "be ready to play". At worst, it costs you about 2 hours of a saturday morning, best case, you jump into a surprise vacancy.
8. Is there anything we can do to improve the next one?
- I feel like going back to the scoring sheet for painting is better than the judges panel we had for a few reasons. I didn't have an army eligible this year, so I didn't have any skin in the game; but if I did, I'd have felt rather frustrated by the process. The judges chosen were from the non-player attendees and staff. While they clearly can look and see which one appeals to them the most, they're not 100% in the hobby as much as many of us are, and won't know whether an army is fully printed, or the level of conversions done, specific techniques which are harder than others, lighting/special effects, etc. etc.
I know the old sheet was more of a "checklist" with people painting a single mini/piece of a mini with NMM or OSL then saying "it's present, look, there it is"; which led to it largely not working. It could work however, with quantifiable pieces added into the mix like "50% of points or models" in the army present with said technique. We have people putting in for best table weeks in advance, letting Shannon know what they're bringing; and I'm guessing most of us know well ahead of then what will be in our army (or at least 80-90% of what'll be in there.) Why can't signups for best painted go along that route.
Say that you plan on putting an army in.
1. Fill out your quantifiable sheet that can be verified before the event. (That scoring is still separate from best overall)
2. Set up armies post game 5
3. The judges still walk by, but like a baking show you get a 1-2 minute "here's what's special about my army" speech
4. Entrants leave the area
5. Judges deliberate and assign points based on their votes
6. Aggregate scores from sheet plus judges conglomerate into best painted score
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Post by voodoo on Feb 20, 2024 20:03:53 GMT -5
2. Tanking - This is the first year where I have seen this deliberately at Clubs. People pay money to come to a tournament and play a game. If you are not sincerely trying to win each game you play, then a CHAMPIONSHIP tournament is not the place for that play style. Nexus runs fun tournaments, narrative tournaments, and even has wooden spoon (last place) prizing in some, then go nuts. This tournament had a wait list of people that I think wanted to try for best general and they didn't get a spot. I have to agree with Jordan here. Champs is the 5 games per year where it's the bare knuckle brawls "bring your best". Sandbagging/tanking is akin to slow playing for the sake of slow playing in my opinion. It might be the way your opponent is wanting to play the game, but it isn't in the spirit of the event, or the game itself. If purposefully losing is the experience you're after, then off the hop just say that you forefit, give your opponent the 90/0 win and then play out a game of 40k after that point. |
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Post by distractedcarnifex on Feb 20, 2024 20:21:56 GMT -5
I liked the fulsome use of BCP. Made it easy to follow. All of my games went the full five Battle Rounds, and I think part of the reason was that the pairings were out very fast and we could get organized.
The care and consideration that you put into Mission selection paid off - very enjoyable games!
I think paying at the store and then registering on BCP was fine.
The 32 player, five-game format meant that instead of relying on total points to determine the winner (Best General?) we could just see who was undefeated. Very elegant!
The live-streamers being there was cool - would be great to see them back. With the tourney capped at 32 players space was not at the usual premium.
Having a reliable ringer who is also willing to be on hand to help you run things would be a best practice. Hard to guarantee, but certainly a force multiplier.
All in all a great Club Champs.
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Post by evad on Feb 20, 2024 20:33:04 GMT -5
Hey there, one of the last minute drop outs here. I can’t speak to the rest of the people but the night of the tournament I came down with Norwalk Virus and as soon as I realized I wasn’t going to be able to make it I messaged in the forum. Not sure what I can do on an individual level to prevent that however I do understand that does hurt the tournament and the players on the wait list. To me an immediate tournament ban for something like that seems harsh. It’s my first year in the community so I don’t know the history of this in other tournaments. If this is a consistent issue you can give a warning which lasts for a year, and any further offence would result in a tournament ban, only being reversed after the year is up. The no refund seems entirely reasonable, you paid for your spot and didn’t show up, no refund. No matter what the community wants to do on that matter I’m excited for the next tournament and next game. Having the livestream was a great chance to still engage and participate and I really enjoyed the death guard going up against what looked like an unbreakable wall of tanks! Hello! I agree with Bram here. I don't think we can punish those who have life blindside them with unforseen circumstances. The "no refund" is enough punishment and probably the most reasonable option in a covidy world. Quite frankly I'm glad that Bram kept his blessings from grandfather nurgle at home 🙂....besides Nurgle was well represented at the tourney on the podium of champions. 🙂 Dave |
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Post by distractedcarnifex on Feb 20, 2024 21:03:42 GMT -5
Hey there, one of the last minute drop outs here. I can’t speak to the rest of the people but the night of the tournament I came down with Norwalk Virus and as soon as I realized I wasn’t going to be able to make it I messaged in the forum. Not sure what I can do on an individual level to prevent that however I do understand that does hurt the tournament and the players on the wait list. To me an immediate tournament ban for something like that seems harsh. It’s my first year in the community so I don’t know the history of this in other tournaments. If this is a consistent issue you can give a warning which lasts for a year, and any further offence would result in a tournament ban, only being reversed after the year is up. The no refund seems entirely reasonable, you paid for your spot and didn’t show up, no refund. No matter what the community wants to do on that matter I’m excited for the next tournament and next game. Having the livestream was a great chance to still engage and participate and I really enjoyed the death guard going up against what looked like an unbreakable wall of tanks! You made the right call! If someone is sick, I think it is vastly preferable for them to stay home and watch the live-stream than come into a crowded basement out of fear for punishment for being a "no-show". Life happens! |
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Feb 20, 2024 22:33:52 GMT -5
Hey there, one of the last minute drop outs here. I can’t speak to the rest of the people but the night of the tournament I came down with Norwalk Virus and as soon as I realized I wasn’t going to be able to make it I messaged in the forum. Not sure what I can do on an individual level to prevent that however I do understand that does hurt the tournament and the players on the wait list. To me an immediate tournament ban for something like that seems harsh. It’s my first year in the community so I don’t know the history of this in other tournaments. If this is a consistent issue you can give a warning which lasts for a year, and any further offence would result in a tournament ban, only being reversed after the year is up. The no refund seems entirely reasonable, you paid for your spot and didn’t show up, no refund. No matter what the community wants to do on that matter I’m excited for the next tournament and next game. Having the livestream was a great chance to still engage and participate and I really enjoyed the death guard going up against what looked like an unbreakable wall of tanks! I am not taking anyone's ban suggestion. That's not happening. If you get sick, you get sick, and stuff happens, we totally get that. As long as you let Nexus know right away, that's all you can do in that case. We certainly don't want to catch it too! |
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