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Post by LizardTau on Feb 11, 2012 21:47:36 GMT -5
yeah IA would be pretty cool. i was actually thinking of an idea or playing around with making a codex but i dont think i know enough about 40k yet
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Post by BewareOfTom on Feb 11, 2012 22:03:25 GMT -5
well I would play traitor guard lists, or maybe the new eldar corsair one  |
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Post by LizardTau on Feb 11, 2012 22:04:41 GMT -5
id have to look and see what blood angels has in IA
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Post by thesanityassassin on Feb 12, 2012 3:24:18 GMT -5
I'd love to see some kind of Iron Hands special character in the next book. I think they had Forge Fathers at one point...kind of like an Iron Warriors Warsmith...part Chapter Master, part Techmarine. They're pretty messed up organizationally though....I could really see them being deserving of their own book....Keep Ultras and Fists off of the main book, Raven Guard and Scars off the main book with variant force org, and give Iron Hands a book with some wacky mechanicum support and some of their augmented squads and Termy led tac squads.
If only there was any GOOD reason game wise to have a terminator sergeant in a regular squad...as it stands now, all he would do is save them from the odd missile hit and stop them from running stuff down.
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Post by calitom on Feb 12, 2012 9:04:01 GMT -5
id have to look and see what blood angels has in IA Blood Angels Contemptor dreads, that's it. |
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Post by nekekami on Feb 12, 2012 9:08:41 GMT -5
Well, when your Primarch gets beheaded in open combat (lol) along with more than half of your Legion dying with him, including almost all of your Terminators (which is why Iron Hands Terminators are very, very, rare), then you call out every other Legion, both Loyalist and Traitor for being "weak" - when you weren't even at the siege because of the previous mentioned asswhooping - it's easy to not have any real, stand-out characters left.
And that's just the messed-up stuff that happened 10 000 years ago. Seriously. The Iron Hands are easily the most screwed up Chapter on either side of the conflict, with a population of almost zero in regard to Veteran forces, and a serious skewed vision of the Galaxy as a whole.
Matt - You're likely referring to the Iron Fathers, who are Techmarines who also act as Chaplains, instead of having Chaplains because they're all Borg-like now. And on that note, the Chapter Master is really just a figurehead to the ruling council (so they have one guy who can talk to the Imperium, whom they really don't like, instead of every Clan leader), while that Council, and a good deal of their actual Leader-types are Dreadnoughts - which is also where the illusion of having more Dreadnoughts comes from (they actually have less of those too, because of the whole "we got gutted at Istvaan V" thing). And then the fact that they have a Clan structure, and a Council to begin with...
Anyway, yeah. Iron Hands, seriously messed up, and that's not even getting into the Civil War they were part of when the Adeptus Mechanicus fought over what Machine God was cooler and ended for them when they banished a third of their already less-than-full Chapter.
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Post by trevor on Feb 12, 2012 12:10:43 GMT -5
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Post by calitom on Feb 12, 2012 12:17:50 GMT -5
Betrayal and loyalty seem hardly messed up concepts. The Iron hands are about as messed up chapter organization-wise as the Space pups... |
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Post by LizardTau on Feb 12, 2012 13:06:00 GMT -5
id have to look and see what blood angels has in IA Blood Angels Contemptor dreads, that's it. nice i just looked it up i like it. I might proxy a dread knight as one since dreadknights are a little larger (once people are ok with IA) the only thing with be that the dreadknight has the larger base |
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Post by trevor on Feb 12, 2012 13:12:30 GMT -5
"Betrayal and loyalty seem hardly messed up concepts. The Iron hands are about as messed up chapter organization-wise as the Space pups..."
you didnt read the gay part at the end did you ;D
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Post by calitom on Feb 12, 2012 18:54:22 GMT -5
I did, I see sexuality having nothing to do with it- the fact that the character was based off of a homosexual poet shouldn't lend weight to anything in the Dark Angel fluff itself.
And my problem with using the Contemptor for the BA codex is that it isn't worth it IMO- with the other codexes you're at least getting that all important AV 13 front and a 5+ invul- for BA all you're getting is the Invul and the minor collection of special rules added to it which I'd rather just use the Contemptor body with the Furioso rules.
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Post by LizardTau on Feb 12, 2012 19:23:10 GMT -5
hmmm i like it, 50 points for +1 str, 5+ invul(against ranged and 6+ in CC) and fleet, but you do loose a WS and a melta gun for a storm bolter
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Post by nekekami on Feb 12, 2012 23:59:31 GMT -5
Yeah, there really isn't much comparison between the Iron Hands and the Dark Angels, as far as which Chapter is more screwed up - and considering that everything I took was canonical Lore, and what I got back was a 1d4chan page on the Primarch, I don't even see how that was relevant. I also don't see homosexuality as a joke, so you really don't want to go there either.
That said, the Dark Angels aren't exactly the cleanest Chapter around, but they certainly don't hold a candle to a fractured band of overcompensation-bred-from-inferiority-complexes, Machine Cult Space Marines, who don't even like the Imperium.
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Post by thesanityassassin on Feb 13, 2012 2:08:08 GMT -5
What more reason to give the Iron Hands a book I say?
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