Post by calitom on Dec 5, 2011 11:08:23 GMT -5
It seems a lot of people have been debating what fluffy is for Space marines for quite awhile now- so figured I'd add in some examples of what a fluffy list would be for a number of chapters, and give the reasoning behind each!
Now the biggest thing you have to think about when designing a fluffy space marines list is what Chapter first, and second what company you are going to be basing your list around- as certain Chapters use varied organization, and even say the first company and eighth company would organize differently based on the codex astartes. Given the 1500 point tourney weekend idea is coming up, I'll keep it around that point value (at least that seems to be the value going for atm).
You're asking yourself if it's possible to be fluffy and competitive with a space marine list. Let me tell you that it is, as long as you pay attention to the company organization and allowances of what they have available to them- this requires a little research ahead of time!
Ultra Marines 3rd company
HQ
Captain (Relic Blade, Artificier armor, Combi-melta, MB)
Command Squad (Champ w/ SS, TH/SS, PW, LC/SS, Melta) in a rhino
Elite
Dreadnought (TL-Las)
Troops
5 Scouts (5 Snipers, Cloaks)
5 Tactical marines (Combi-plasma) in a razorback (TL-Las)
10 Tactical marines (Melta, ML, Combi-melta) in a rhino
Fast Attack
HF / Melta Speeder
Heavy support
Thunderfire Cannon
5 Devs w/ 4 ML
Auto/Las Predator
So here we have a relatively balanced force that follows the standard Force Org of the Codex Astartes. In game terms, you have your reinforced ruin as your primary point of concentrated long ranged support fire- you have some counter assault elements as well as some elements to contest later in the game and even clear off some objectives after needed. Some ability to play some reserve contest shennanigans with the speeder, and overall just the tactical flexibility the Space marines codex boasts.
Blood Angels 8th Company
HQ
Reclusiarch (MB)
Elite
Sanguinary Priest (JP, PW)
Librarian Dreadnought (Wings, Shield)
Troops
5 Assault marines (Flamer) in a razorback (TL-Las)
7 Death Company (PF, TH, PW) in a rhino (DB)
10 Assault marines (2 Melta, PW) in a rhino
10 Assault marines (2 Melta, PF)
Fast Attack
2 Attack bikes (MM)
2 Attack bikes (MM)
A fluffy 8th company Blood Angels list. Assault marines supported by bikes, the Chaplain of the 8th leading the charge with those who've joined the Death Company. Fast, hard hitting and up in your face. Bringing the Emperor's warmth to those who need it, where they need it.
Dark Angels 2nd Company, Ravenwing
HQ
Interrogator Chaplain (MB) on a Bike
Sammael (Speeder)
Elite
Dreadnought (TL-Las, ML)
Troops
6 strong Ravenwing Attack Squadron (2 Melta, PW)
6 strong Ravenwing Attack Squadron (2 Melta, PF)
6 Strong Upgraded Ravenwing Attack Squadron (2 Plasma, PF, Apothecary, Standard Bearer)
Fast Attack
Typhoon Speeder
Typhoon Speeder
Sammael and an Interrogator Chaplain lead a scouting mission, you've all seen Justin play it extensively- here's my slightly different take on it (Chaplain instead of Librarian. Take that Justin!)
Grey Knights 5th Company
HQ
Brotherhood Champion
Grand Master (Incinerator, Psychotroke, Rad grenades)
Elite
5 Paladins (2 Psycannons, 2 Halberds, 1 Hammer)
Troops
10 man Strike Squad (2 Psycannons, Hammer)
6 Terminator (5 Halberds, Hammer)
Heavy Support
Dreadnought (2 TL-Auto, Psybolt ammo)
Land Raider Crusader (Psybolt ammo, MM)
It keeps to the fluff of the Grey Knights- a Grand Master is leading some of his brethren to cleanse some daemons, and is accompanied by his Brotherhood Champion and Paladins. In game it's small but packs a punch and is hard to get off the table, and can take advantage of some deep striking shennanigans if required as everything can deep strike save the Dread and LRC.
I'll leave it at that with the examples, but it's easy enough to figure out how you can make a fluffy list and apply it to the tabletop in a competitive manner. Remember, there's ALWAYS more then one of each thing available to any company or chapter at one time- symmetry is more then fluffy if you feel the need. Obviously taking 17 Razorbacks or 6 Land Raiders wouldn't be fluffy, but read your books and figure it out.
Now the biggest thing you have to think about when designing a fluffy space marines list is what Chapter first, and second what company you are going to be basing your list around- as certain Chapters use varied organization, and even say the first company and eighth company would organize differently based on the codex astartes. Given the 1500 point tourney weekend idea is coming up, I'll keep it around that point value (at least that seems to be the value going for atm).
You're asking yourself if it's possible to be fluffy and competitive with a space marine list. Let me tell you that it is, as long as you pay attention to the company organization and allowances of what they have available to them- this requires a little research ahead of time!
Ultra Marines 3rd company
HQ
Captain (Relic Blade, Artificier armor, Combi-melta, MB)
Command Squad (Champ w/ SS, TH/SS, PW, LC/SS, Melta) in a rhino
Elite
Dreadnought (TL-Las)
Troops
5 Scouts (5 Snipers, Cloaks)
5 Tactical marines (Combi-plasma) in a razorback (TL-Las)
10 Tactical marines (Melta, ML, Combi-melta) in a rhino
Fast Attack
HF / Melta Speeder
Heavy support
Thunderfire Cannon
5 Devs w/ 4 ML
Auto/Las Predator
So here we have a relatively balanced force that follows the standard Force Org of the Codex Astartes. In game terms, you have your reinforced ruin as your primary point of concentrated long ranged support fire- you have some counter assault elements as well as some elements to contest later in the game and even clear off some objectives after needed. Some ability to play some reserve contest shennanigans with the speeder, and overall just the tactical flexibility the Space marines codex boasts.
Blood Angels 8th Company
HQ
Reclusiarch (MB)
Elite
Sanguinary Priest (JP, PW)
Librarian Dreadnought (Wings, Shield)
Troops
5 Assault marines (Flamer) in a razorback (TL-Las)
7 Death Company (PF, TH, PW) in a rhino (DB)
10 Assault marines (2 Melta, PW) in a rhino
10 Assault marines (2 Melta, PF)
Fast Attack
2 Attack bikes (MM)
2 Attack bikes (MM)
A fluffy 8th company Blood Angels list. Assault marines supported by bikes, the Chaplain of the 8th leading the charge with those who've joined the Death Company. Fast, hard hitting and up in your face. Bringing the Emperor's warmth to those who need it, where they need it.
Dark Angels 2nd Company, Ravenwing
HQ
Interrogator Chaplain (MB) on a Bike
Sammael (Speeder)
Elite
Dreadnought (TL-Las, ML)
Troops
6 strong Ravenwing Attack Squadron (2 Melta, PW)
6 strong Ravenwing Attack Squadron (2 Melta, PF)
6 Strong Upgraded Ravenwing Attack Squadron (2 Plasma, PF, Apothecary, Standard Bearer)
Fast Attack
Typhoon Speeder
Typhoon Speeder
Sammael and an Interrogator Chaplain lead a scouting mission, you've all seen Justin play it extensively- here's my slightly different take on it (Chaplain instead of Librarian. Take that Justin!)
Grey Knights 5th Company
HQ
Brotherhood Champion
Grand Master (Incinerator, Psychotroke, Rad grenades)
Elite
5 Paladins (2 Psycannons, 2 Halberds, 1 Hammer)
Troops
10 man Strike Squad (2 Psycannons, Hammer)
6 Terminator (5 Halberds, Hammer)
Heavy Support
Dreadnought (2 TL-Auto, Psybolt ammo)
Land Raider Crusader (Psybolt ammo, MM)
It keeps to the fluff of the Grey Knights- a Grand Master is leading some of his brethren to cleanse some daemons, and is accompanied by his Brotherhood Champion and Paladins. In game it's small but packs a punch and is hard to get off the table, and can take advantage of some deep striking shennanigans if required as everything can deep strike save the Dread and LRC.
I'll leave it at that with the examples, but it's easy enough to figure out how you can make a fluffy list and apply it to the tabletop in a competitive manner. Remember, there's ALWAYS more then one of each thing available to any company or chapter at one time- symmetry is more then fluffy if you feel the need. Obviously taking 17 Razorbacks or 6 Land Raiders wouldn't be fluffy, but read your books and figure it out.
