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Post by calitom on Dec 5, 2011 22:06:03 GMT -5
I agree with the above, that as a first tournament- maybe 75% as while yes, I agree that getting the 3 colors and basing isn't all that difficult or even extremely time consuming... but having a solid 100% right out the gate might be a bit much- especially given some of us are starting new armies for it. It's something I would be happy to continue to discuss up to the deadline for people so we keep the communication channels open!
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Post by danydaigle24 on Dec 6, 2011 6:35:55 GMT -5
well pretty sure people wont have 100% and we will lose a lot of player last tournament we had 3 people 100% painted if I remember.... I dont say that for me cuz I can do 3 colours I say that cuz I know a lot of people doesnt like to paint
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Dec 6, 2011 6:54:47 GMT -5
Well what if we said TRY to get as close to 100% as possible... If you can only get 50% that's fine... but if everyone commits to giving it an effort to get paint on their models that's all we can really ask... I don't want people not being able to play, that would suck... I just can't see it being 0% though... you're telling me in two months you couldn't paint ONE marine?  I remember when ALL tournies here were 50% minimum... then we went to 0% to encourage new players... then suddenly having a fully painted army as Dany said became something actually rare! (whereas when you go to Trenton to play 40k fully painted armies are the norm) I want everyone to play who wants to.... but we need to get some painting done too! I'd be happy with 50% being bare minimum and encouraging everyone to get as close to 100% as possible.... |
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Post by fritzthedwarf on Dec 6, 2011 8:40:02 GMT -5
I agree that there is a danger of losing a couple of people with a painting requirement, however I also feel the painting requirement was important. Perhaps if you have the 3 colour minimum and no basing - at least 75% of the army (or 2 colours and basing depending on the order you do things). And for basing is a painted base good enough?
I remember tourneys having the 3 colour min encouraged people to get their armies painted. Ard boyz allows unpainted armies and we should have some tourneys with some kind of painting requirements
Also, if a painting requirement is in place we need to inform everyone as often as possible because many people are not used to having the requirement. And what is the penalty for not meeting the painting requirement? Is it cannot play or a penalty to the score?
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Post by calitom on Dec 6, 2011 8:46:30 GMT -5
Oh, no I'm promising to have at least 50% done by then at the very least. The big reason is I'm looking to kit bash for every squad, go balls out on details and everything else. So i can't necessarily promise I'll be 100% done by it. And I know I'm one of the ones that struggles with getting it fully painted, so figured I'd be the voice for the masses.  |
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Post by nekekami on Dec 6, 2011 10:34:04 GMT -5
I guess to me, it seems like people have forgotten one of the big parts of the hobby is the painting and modelling itself - and even I've fallen into that trap. I went from having a fully-painted Mixedwing Dark Angels force to a half-painted Ravenwing. Really, it's my fault and even without the 2-month advance warning, I've had literally months, if not years, to get all of this painted.
Anyone in this hobby that can make an excuse as to why they can't or couldn't get it done is bullshitting, unless there is some seriously heavy arguments for why. When you see the same armies week after week with no headway done on them, there's likely only one reason why that is.
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Post by LizardTau on Dec 6, 2011 11:00:11 GMT -5
Oh ill tell it straight i hate painting. i had my lizard men army for what three years now and only like one thing is painted and i got that prepainted. that's why i try to get per painted minis.
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Post by BewareOfTom on Dec 6, 2011 11:24:35 GMT -5
i think 75% is good
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Post by nekekami on Dec 6, 2011 11:40:15 GMT -5
Oh ill tell it straight i hate painting. i had my lizard men army for what three years now and only like one thing is painted and i got that prepainted. that's why i try to get per painted minis. See, and that's the problem right there. Downvoting something because you can't simply be bothered isn't paying any respect to the hobby and the time and effort that people do put into their own stuff. This is why I firmly believe that there should be a painting requirement on all tournaments like we used to have. And here, we're talking about a two-day tournament, shirts, trophies and prizes, not some 6-hour event on a saturday like people are used too. 3 colours and bases, that's all it takes to pass into any of the bigger tournaments. That's a base, a highlight and details. Like Shannon said above, you can bust out a squad in an hour. |
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Post by LizardTau on Dec 6, 2011 16:25:53 GMT -5
its not that i cant be bothered. I fully respect people who do it and i would love to be able to do the covertions or painted minis that half the people have. I fully admit that i dont paint. I voted the no painting requirment cause more people can play and some people play it as a game, not a hobby. I fully play it as a game and i dont plan on winning any of the well painted models awards although i do have some well painted models that arent done by me. I just think the painting requirment doesnt NEED to be there, thats what best painted army and best converted model rewards are for, to pay respects to the people who actually do have it as a hoddy. I and fully willing to pay 40 bucks to get into a tournement to play if half the prizes go to fully painted armies (best painted, best convertion and best theme, lets say) but im just saying i have tryed, i dont like it, i have tonnes of respect for people who do it. but thats my two cents.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Dec 6, 2011 18:22:02 GMT -5
....that's the cool thing about this hobby, even if you don't like one aspect of it, there's always something else to enjoy! |
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Post by nekekami on Dec 6, 2011 18:32:07 GMT -5
....that's the cool thing about this hobby, even if you don't like one aspect of it, there's always something else to enjoy! Which is totally the point. I'll totally concede on that a 0% painting requirement is far more fair to beginners, but this tournament that's being proposed isn't the normal saturday three-wins-and-you-win tournament. These things are showcases for people who truly love the hobby - and don't think for a moment that it isn't a hobby, game or not - and that includes all aspects of it. The painting requirement doesn't exclude you from playing, or even bringing things (at least I hope not), but it will affect your overall score, and rightly should. |
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Post by LizardTau on Dec 6, 2011 18:39:24 GMT -5
thats true hobby is such a broad word, i love collecting the armys, and making lists. If it wasn't for lack of fund as in i bearly have enough to do the armies i have, i would have one of each army and just make fun lists to play lol
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Dec 8, 2011 10:06:04 GMT -5
Would this be fair:
Your army must be at least 50% painted to participate (with the warning that starting next year it is 100% painted)
A painting scoring system is in place that rewards those who get higher than 50% with points - using encouragement and reward rather than punishment as a motivator?
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Post by LizardTau on Dec 8, 2011 10:21:08 GMT -5
i like the idea, and a year gives people lots of time for the next one
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