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Abbadon
Dec 19, 2011 19:16:57 GMT -5
Post by garrett on Dec 19, 2011 19:16:57 GMT -5
Some people say that he is the best hero in the game as others say he is terrible. What one are you? I personally think that he is good. If he was only 225 points he would be amazing. I vote against because he is to expensive!!!!!! What do you think?
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Abbadon
Dec 19, 2011 19:31:21 GMT -5
Post by calitom on Dec 19, 2011 19:31:21 GMT -5
Abbadon is too random to be worth his points. If you roll a 1 he's screwed for a round, and something worth MORE then a landraider shouldn't be worthless for a single round of any game.
He's in terminator armor exclusively, which also means he can't sweeping advance and he can't go into rhinos or any other useful transport in the codex.
But to be honest, I wouldn't even pay 225 points for him in his current state- the demon weapons are just too bad.
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Abbadon
Dec 19, 2011 19:42:52 GMT -5
Post by danydaigle24 on Dec 19, 2011 19:42:52 GMT -5
Abbadon is terrible but Daemon weapon on a choas lord is cheap and can be very good Tom
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Abbadon
Dec 19, 2011 19:45:52 GMT -5
Post by calitom on Dec 19, 2011 19:45:52 GMT -5
The demon weapon is the reason I think Abbadon is bad. It's the randomization that makes him unreliable.
Example, I take Mephiston with my BA because he's reliable and has pulled through for me time after time.
Abbadon or demon weapons in general though can't be relied on, so it makes it all bad.
The reliable HQ choices in Codex : Chaos Space Marines are incredibly limited atm, and is one of the bigger problems spread out over the codex - too many choices, but not enough synergy between them to make it all work.
The only useful HQ choices for their points : Daemon Princes, Sorcerers (with lash or mark of tzeentch), and Kharn. Anything else is really just lackluster in comparison.
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Abbadon
Dec 19, 2011 20:04:20 GMT -5
Post by garrett on Dec 19, 2011 20:04:20 GMT -5
A chaos lord in termi armour can be good because he can deep strike and if some one has a personal icon he can go in without scattering. Just curious... How much would you pay for Abbadon? In the new book I'm hoping they change the deamon weapons roll a 1 rule. I don't know what they could put in it's place though because without it it is just unfair. Also it is very unlikely that u will roll a 1 on a D6. There is about a 16% chance you will roll a 1.
I dissagree with your 3 usefull HQ I think that Sorcerers are not good you can just take a deamon prince.
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Abbadon
Dec 19, 2011 20:06:57 GMT -5
Post by danydaigle24 on Dec 19, 2011 20:06:57 GMT -5
Well I tend to agree with you but I really like my 140 pts Chaos Lord that can give 10 power weapon attack yes sometimes he wont do anything but for 140pts I dont expect him to kill an entire army... but Ill try a sorcerer next game I think can be pretty good...
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Abbadon
Dec 19, 2011 21:41:33 GMT -5
Post by calitom on Dec 19, 2011 21:41:33 GMT -5
Just ask Guy or Trevor how often the term "If I just don't roll a 1" comes up with their terminators. Too often to only be 16%
And with how much I'd pay for Abbadon? Maybe 200? Any more and he's too expensive...
And the Sorcerer with lash has two things over a demon prince. Price, and Independant character status instead of Monstrous Creature. Both have Lash, Both are Initiative 6. Both have 5+ invul. I'd rather see someone shoot through my rhino and my squad before they can kill my Lash then be unable to hide it effectively- and even then have it get punched in the face by grey knights even more then the rest of the 40k world.
Lash is for Sorcerers, Daemon princes should have Mark of Nurgle or Tzeentch imo.
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Abbadon
Dec 20, 2011 7:55:49 GMT -5
Post by danydaigle24 on Dec 20, 2011 7:55:49 GMT -5
I agree with you but my lash prince is there to scare people once again its like a land raider most of people will fire on him instead of my rhino...
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Abbadon
Dec 20, 2011 11:42:30 GMT -5
Post by calitom on Dec 20, 2011 11:42:30 GMT -5
Mhm, but picture if you had a Nurgle Demon prince with warp time to draw the fire with Toughness 6! And still have that Sorcerer with lash in the rhino next to him. Not saying Lash Princes aren't good, becasue yes they are. Just I'd suggest trying out the Nurgle prince and the lash sorcerer.
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Abbadon
Dec 20, 2011 16:22:22 GMT -5
Post by garrett on Dec 20, 2011 16:22:22 GMT -5
I say that chaos lord is still the best thin to uses in the game. Also you are never going to beat broken knights it's just impossible.
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