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Post by fritzthedwarf on Feb 8, 2012 23:47:09 GMT -5
Shannon - I have a few questions about the Swarmlord as I've not run one before. GW rules writing leaves a lot to be desired - especially the nid dex. First problem - Swarmy uses bone sabres and I cannot find anywhere whether these are boneswords. The problem is that under the bone sabre entry it does not say that they are power weapons or boneswords (boneswords are listed as power weapons). It is implied when it states that invul saves must be re-rolled but that is it (it would be kind of meaningless otherwise). How has this been handled and/or have I missed something? I don't want to assume they are power weapons.
Second problem - Tied to the first - bone sabres cause instant death regardless of toughness. If an unsaved wound occurs does the opponent have to roll a leadership test for a multi-wound model as per the bonesword or are they just dead? If bone sabres are boneswords it says that if a model is armed with 2 boneswords the leadership test is on 3d6 - Swarmy has 4 swords and it says nothing about more than 2 swords.
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Post by calitom on Feb 9, 2012 0:21:26 GMT -5
I know this is pointed at Shannon, but I figured I'd throw in my guess.
Question 1. A lot of codices in 5th edition do this. One of the codices which is the most prevalent is the blood angel codex, actually. Stating power swords, chalice of sanguinius/blood and other differently worded equipment which is EXACTLY the same as the primary ones (Power weapons, blood chalices) but was the writers being inconsistant in the codex itself. I believe there are a few in each 5th ed codex- primarily around special characters or entries.
Question 2. Leadership is taken on 3d6, at least that's how Shannon's always ran it- as it always seemed the implication of dual sets- much in the way of scything talons is to imply similar properties as 2 boneswords.
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Post by fritzthedwarf on Feb 9, 2012 1:29:09 GMT -5
I shouldn't have put out my questions when I was tired. Someone on the Tyranid Hive mentioned the obvious that monstrous creatures attacks don't allow armor saves so question 1 is easily resolved - bone sabres do not need to be boneswords - they function fine.
About question #2 - On the Tyranid Hive some answered that there is no leadership roll as that is for boneswords and the bone sabre entry just says bone sabres inflict instant death regardless of toughness - since bone sabres don't need to be boneswords (my confusion) and are not boneswords there should be no need for a leadership test. Same way that a zoey gets hit with a str 8 missile, fails the save, dies - no need for a leadership test to suffer instant death. Its following the rule as written.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Feb 9, 2012 6:36:20 GMT -5
Well you know what Mark... you're absolutely right! I've been playing swarmy wrong all these years! I always gave the leadership test at 3d6 as per boneswords, just assuming it was the same... however actually reading it over again it actually says literally that it just inflicts instant death regardless of toughness! good catch! normally anytime it came up the person failed anyways on 3d6... but the rules clearly state swarmy is even more awesome than I at first thought! Think I might paint a large bullseye on the chest of mine now...  |
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Post by fritzthedwarf on Feb 9, 2012 11:03:58 GMT -5
I guess my late night confusion on bone sabres and forgetting no armor saves from MC attacks at least produced something worthwhile. Someone over on the Tyranid Hive also realized they had been mistakenly using the leadership test. Funny how things get discovered.
Swarmy's swords are pinned and glued to MC arms - now I just need to magnetize the arms, paint the arms and he's good to go. Then just finish painting the second trygon and 14 more stealers and I think I'll be ready.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Feb 9, 2012 11:21:29 GMT -5
Sounds like you're well on your way to being fully painted for the tourney!
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