Chaotic Thoughts

[Frosty the Pirate]

For fun I was thinking about turning my marines into Chaos and Deamons, and came up with a couple lists that I think would be fun to play, however I have never played chaos, or even read the daemon dex, so I have no idea if these lists are any good, I simply threw together some units I thought were cool and added some extra anti-tank via melta. The idea is to be very in your face with this list.

List 1: CSM with Daemon Allies

HQ:
Typhus

Elite:
3x Chao Terminators - 3x Combi-Melta
3x Chao Terminators - 3x Combi-Melta

Troops:

9x Khorne Berzerkers - Skull Champ w PF and Icon
Rhino with Dozer and Combi-Melta

9x Khorne Berzerkers - Skull Champ w PF and Icon
Rhino with Dozer and Combi-Melta

8x Plague Marines - 2x Plasma Gun and Icon
Rhino with Dozer and Combi-Melta

Heavy:

Defiler with 2x CCW

Defiler with 2x CCW

Daemon Allies:

HQ:

Bloodthirster - Unholy Might, Blessing of the Blood God

Troops:

5x Plaguebearers

5x Plaguebearers


List 2: Daemons with CSM Allies

HQ:

Bloodthirster - Unholy Might, Blessing of the Blood God

Troops:

5x Plaguebearers

5x Plaguebearers

Heavy:

Soul Grinder - Phlegm

Soul Grinder - Phelgm

CSM Allies:

HQ:

Typhus

Elites:

6x Terminators - 3x Combi-Melta

Troops:

9x Khorne Berzerkers - Skull Champ w PF and Icon
Rhino with Dozer and Combi-Melta

9x Khorne Berzerkers - Skull Champ w PF and Icon
Rhino with Dozer and Combi-Melta

8x Plague Marines - 2x Plasma Gun
Rhino with Dozer and Combi-Melta

With List 2 I could also swap the CSM Termies for Daemon Fiends, but then I don't have the option of putting more bodies on the table if I don't roll preferred wave

[Jack Shrapnel]

List one - the daemons aren't really adding anything you can't get out of the CSM book... now that plaguebearers can't run (ie; deepstrike in a blast formation and sit there for a turn), cover saves dropped for area terrain and FNP is just a 5+, units of five are much less survivable than they used to be... 10 are still viable, but five... not so much...

List two - switch to flying daemon princes and you might be on to something.... sadly with hull points, grinders have become MUCH less survivable than they used to be... that old who cares about glances? yeah, you care big time now!

ask me how happy I am about grinders, plaguebearers and cover going to a 5+? (ie:my list!)

[garrett]

With the new rule for vehicles in 6th I don't think that the Rhino will get close enough to the enemy to use it's combi-melta. I would probably take them off and add in a few more bezerkers to put in the rhinos.

[calitom]

Ditto to what Shannon said, and why do you have so many icons? CSM icons don't work for daemons specifically... and Typhus just seems out of place in both lists to me.

[Frosty the Pirate]

The icons were just because I was assuming not everything would be close enough to deep strike my termies into the danger zone (ie Melta range), so I wanted some redundancy.

If Grinders aren't survivable, then I'm willing to bet defilers aren't either, so I'll have to rethink my whole fire support completely.

Also, thanks for the heads up on SnP, I didn't realize they couldn't run. I'll play with it a little more and see what I come up with. (I also just realized they can't G2G either... darn)