Carcharnodons Marine Army

[Hizack]

Now, this list is going to be a work in progress and I by no means have anywhere near enough models for it yet and it's not even finalised. I'd just like your opinions of the list.

HQ

• Tyberos The Red Wake - 190 Points
  
  
• Epistolary Librarian w. Jump pack and Force Axe - 175 Points
  

Troop

• Terminator Assault Squad w. Lightning Claws - 200 Points
  - Land Raider Redemer w. Multimelta - 250
  
  
• Tactical Squad +5 Marines w. Melta Gun, Multimelta, Power fist, 4x Marines with CCW's - 200 Points
  - Drop Pod - 35 Points
  
  
• Tactical Squad w. CCW's, Melta bomb, pair of Lightning Claws - 125 Points
  - Razorback w. Twin linked Assault Cannons - 75 Points
  
  
• Tactical Squad w. CCW's, Melta bomb, pair of Lightning Claws - 125 Points
  - Razorback w. Twin linked Assault Cannons - 75 Points
  

Fast Attack

• Assault Squad +5 Marines w. Melta bomb and pair of Lightning Claws - 225 Points
  

Heavy Support[/u]

• Predator w. Twin Linked Lascannons and Lascannon sponsons - 165 Points
  
  
• Predator w. Twin Linked Lascannons and Lascannon sponsons - 165 Points
  

Now then, Tyberos is from the IA book number 9. That nice looking expensive one that Danny has. His chapter tactics give everyone in the army Furious Charge, and if they win in close combat they gain rage. He also allows all Space Marine infantry models in the army to replace their bolt gun with a CCW for free. An' finally he allows you to take one squad of Assault Terminators armed with only Lightning Claws (No TH+SS) to be taken as a troop choice. Tyberos also gains Perfered Enemy against the army of a unit he kills in CC.

I suppose the list is fairly bare for a total of 2K points and it's sort of obvious what I plan on doing with the list. I'd just like to know your thoughts on it. The squad in the drop pod is going to combat tactics so the 4 marines with CCW's go with their Sergeant. The only real units that could deal with 2+ saves are Tyberos, the Predators the 3 Meltas and the Sergeant with the PF. The 3 TL Assault Cannons only could if they rend.

I was thinking of possibly cutting out the second tac squad and it's razorback and replacing it with a 5 man Assault Terminator group with TH+SS and using Tyberos's Teleport Homer to bring them in on him. Other wise he and the LC termies will be riding up the middle in the Land Raider with the Librarian jumping along right behind so that he's hidden from view, then when they jump out he can jump up and be right there with them giving buffs or dealing the dirt with his powers.

With the 5 vehicles I could drive a spearhead up the middle of the table spittin death and blocking LOS of the Assault Squad, and then disembark the 10 tac marines into the LOS vehicle spearhead before they run off to get into CC.

So, again.. Thoughts and comments more than appreciated!

[connor]

small things, the Liberian shouldn't have a force axe he'll die before he swings with a 3+ save, and I would commit to full assault and not worry about that tactical squad with the melta, just have another close combat unit. Play it and see because useful advice on an army no-ones played is tough.

[Frosty the Pirate]

I hate to say this, but the list looks very 5th ed. Small Troops in Boxes, relying on LOS, Vehicle Durability and getting into Combat to protect them.

Proxy it for a couple games and you'll see why MSU is dead.

[Jack Shrapnel]

The rumours of MSU's death have been greatly exaggerated.....

[Frosty the Pirate]

Sept 17, 2012 10:03:31 GMT -5 Jack Shrapnel said:

The rumours of MSU's death have been greatly exaggerated.....

Not to derail this thread (we can make another topic if you'd rather, so others can weigh in)

I would argue that MSU is dead, gone and buried. But it's cousin RSU (Right Size Units) has become one of the most important theoryhammer concepts of 6th

Larger (not necessarily Full) squads with points efficient upgrades are the way to go.

[Jack Shrapnel]

Another topic seems appropriate, given that this thread is for his army list!

[Hizack]

Hm, alright thanks for the input and while I think it's sparked a good debate that I'm interested in I appreciate the feedback! I'd given my reasoning behind the list being the way it is but like I said it's completely open to change!

Something sneaky I can do with the Librarian in CC is since he's I1 and LC terminators will never be in CC with TH-SS terminators the Librarian does his pile in at initiative 1. So I can effectively keep him out of combat until I-1 where with any of the Biomancy spells I'll be giving him will allow him to wreck face in CC plus the fact that I don't have to use him to fight PF or other I1 AP2 melee weapons. I was thinking of giving him a force stave though for concussive purposes.

The reasoning I went with the 2 razor backs is because I wanted some extra shooting from something, while having the ability to quickly get my squads across the field. I'd love to hear alternatives though!

[Jack Shrapnel]

I'm somewhat concerned with your plan of librarian running on his own. If I were playing against you for example, this would be an easy target priority choice, as it take so much out of your army support if I just devote some shooting to take him out... (and it's fairly easy to move a faster vehicle into position to do so)

[Frosty the Pirate]

Sept 17, 2012 14:12:29 GMT -5 Hizack said:

Something sneaky I can do with the Librarian in CC is since he's I1 and LC terminators will never be in CC with TH-SS terminators the Librarian does his pile in at initiative 1. So I can effectively keep him out of combat until I-1 where with any of the Biomancy spells I'll be giving him will allow him to wreck face in CC plus the fact that I don't have to use him to fight PF or other I1 AP2 melee weapons. I was thinking of giving him a force stave though for concussive purposes.

Unfortunately, this doesn't work. Just because you are unwieldy does NOT mean you pile in at I1, you still pile in at your base Initiative.

[LizardTau]

also the enemy can just challenge your libby and then if you decline kill your termies and then attack the libby after, id go for the staff, str 6 force weapon will be nice against MC's