First try at 6th...Scars + Guard

[thesanityassassin]

Ok, I'll preface this by saying that I'm still pretty unfamiliar with 6th. Only read the book through a couple of times, and haven't played it yet, so I'm mostly just flying by the seat of my pants.

Anyway, the general idea depending on mission is to do a basic hammer-anvil idea with the big blob of guard sticking and holding locations while the faster scars elements zip about and either counter attack or isolate enemy units and tear them up. I know the big HQ unit with Khan isn't what it was in 5th, but I still want to give it a try...despite not being able to assault out of reserves, it will still have a ton of mobility and hitting power.

The guard command squads will be equipped with Sniper Rifles to try and pull off some lucky drops of opposing sergeants or special weapons that would threaten the bikes...not 100% sold on that idea, I could just toss a ton of plasma in depending on points, but I liked the longer range and cheap cost of the rifles. Plus, pinning has ever been part of my strategy, and I'm loathe to let it go.

Anyway,

White Scars:

HQ: Kor'sarro on Moondrakken

Command Squad
-Champ, 3 x Storm Shield, 2 x Power Lance, 1 x Fist

Troops:

8 x Bikes, 2 Plasma Guns, Sergeant with Power Fist
Attack bike with Multi-Melta

8 x Bikes, 2 Plasma Guns, Sergeant with Power Fist
Attack Bike with Multi-Melta

Imperial Guard:

HQ:

Company Command
Vox, 3 x Sniper, Astropath, Carapace

Troops:

Platoon Command:
Vox, 3 x Sniper

5 x Infantry Squad, Power Weapon, Vox, Lascannon
2 x Commissar, Power Weapon



This leaves me with 135 points to spend. Not entirely sure what to do with them, so any suggestions would be welcome. Possibly a Vindicator or a pair of bare bones Predators? Marine Scouts? More Guard things? I'm somewhat lost as to what to do with the two armies together...I do have a full Scars list, but I thought I would play around with the ally rules give that I can...

[BewareOfTom]

well just what I'd say for normal sergeants, change the fists to power weapons (maul or sword) and meltabombs, just so they dont get hurt in challenges

[thesanityassassin]

Ah yes, those exist now. Good call. I'll probably use lances, despite them being less effective, simply because it's fluffy and I have a bunch of the old lance armed Scar models.

[BewareOfTom]

well lances arnt too bad for bikes, I mean its easier for you to jump in quickly then get the assault then normal infantry

[Frosty the Pirate]

A couple of quick tweaks if I may.

I'm going to assume that since you've taken 2 commissars your planning on running 2 blobs of 20 and 30. But if your just taking 1 blob I would recommend grabbing a priest with evis instead of 1 of the commissars

Swap your Fists out, Fists aren't required anymore, and will prompt actual combat units to challenge them out. Take a regular power weapon instead, which type depends on what you feel you need. My preference these days for a sarge is Maul or Sword/Meltabomb

You already understand the downsides to lances, I'd replace them with Mauls, but if you want to keep them for fluff, i won't argue with that.

Camo cloaks or Chimeras would be essential to your guard command squads surviving, backfield AV12 is just as tough as ever, and camo cloaks + going to ground in area terrain gives you 2+ cover when you need it.

You could also jump on the internet bandwagon with your left over points and grab a vendetta, since you already have guard.

I hope you get to try out 6th soon, it's a very fun new edition, and it's easily the most balanced edition I've played so far.

[thesanityassassin]

Yeah, the two commissars are there so I can split the blob if need be for weight of fire or objectives, depending on what else ends up eating those last few points. I was actually considering an Eviscerator priest for that squad, glad to see that idea backed up.

As for the fists....got it. I keep forgetting the combat rules of 6th not having played it yet....And yeah, I totally get the downside of the lances, but I just can't help myself with Scars.

As for the camo cloaks...would that be instead of carapace? I ultimately would want to stick them in a Chimera, but I don't have any at the moment, and have other more important things to buy moving forward to complete the full 2000 point scars army.


Speaking of, what is the meta like now that the edition has changed? I'm kind of making wild assumptions on my weapon choices with the lascannons and snipers...I could just as easily load up on plasma and take some autocannons....is that S9 AP2 needed?

[danydaigle24]

Well to be honest Im still a fan of PF I know Im old school but I never leave without my PF. I love lascannon but once again Im old school also on that people tend to like autocannon more.

[Frosty the Pirate]

It depends really, the Lascannon is kinda the "hot girl in the short skirt" of infantry based IG, the autocannon is kinda like the cheap and cheerful, obviously if your going to be leaning on them for AT, the lascannon is the better choice, as Orders like BID! make them very deadly to light armour, and moderately deadly to heavy armour.

Remember, the upside of AP2 now is improves your chances to destroy vehicles on pens with +1. So killing vehicles is achieved one of two ways

1) Use mid strength shots, and use quantity of fire

2) Use AP2/1 firepower and use quality of fire

Either is a viable choice, but you've got to make your choice and stick to it, trying to take both will leave you empty handed.

I've been running autocannons myself in my blob, and I find it works great at stripping hull points off targets up to AV12, but I also use a commissar on a Quad Gun to prop up the weight of shots. However, I had yet to test against an opponent using move than a couple AV13 vehicles.

As for the camo cloaks, I would take them over carapace, as anything that's ignoring your cover save, will be ignoring your armor, and should of been dealt with before it gets that close. You have T5 MEQs in midfield, why didn't they stop that threat? The biggest threat is a dread podding in with a heavy flamer, but there's not much you can do about that except take the loss and deal with it.

[qward]

I am unfamiliar with IG, how many Troops choices is that?

[Frosty the Pirate]

IG have an interesting way of taking their troops, they take them as Platoons.

When you buy a Platoon, you get

1x Command Squad
2x 9 Troopers + 1 Sarge

And you can add more squads of Troopers as you please, there are also Special Weapons Squads and Heavy Weapon Squads available.

When you deploy the Platoon, it all counts as 1 Troops choice, however, regular trooper squads can join together, to form larger units. The other squads (PCS, SWS, HWS) cannot, and each separate unit, counts as it's own unit for scoring, and KP purposes. So Essentially, a Platoon is just a big mob of dudes, and then you break them up (or combine them) as you wish during deployment.