Another try at a different Scars + Allies list

[thesanityassassin]

Ok, it just dawned on me I'm short a few bikes for my tourney list and might not have time to get them bought before hand. SO, I'm trying out a possible new allies list:

Primary Detatchment, Marines:

HQ:
Captain, bike, Artifacer, TH/SS

Command Squad, 3x Power Weapons, Company Champ with Lance, 3 x SS, Fist, and Two Lances

Troops:

5 Bikes, 2 x Plasma, Power-something

5 Bikes, 2 x Plasma, Power Something

5 Bikes, 2 x Melta, Combi-Melta

Fast:

3 x Attack Bikes, Multi-Melta

2 x Landspeeder Typhoon w/ Heavy Flamer

1 x Landspeeder Tornado w/ 2xHF

Allies, Codex IG

HQ: Commissar Lord

Troops:

Platoon Command Squad
in Chimera, Multi-Laser, Heavy Flamer

4 x Guard Platoon with Autocannon

Heavy Support:

Leman Russ Eradicator


Added in a bunch more Flamer-yness and the cover ignoring Eradicator, and switched out the Attack Bikes from the squads into a single squad....they can easily go back into the regular bike squads, and I might in fact do that, but I thought for now it would give me some dedicated tank killing in one place. Guard blob holds an objective and fires autocannons while the PCS sits in its Chimera and yells FRFSRF while trying to be in position to flamer outflanking gribblies that will come after my Guard. ALMOST thinking of going 2xHF for the Chimera as it will pretty much be backfield insurance, or else random hunting against another army...not sure the multi-laser does that much for me at this point.

Over the last list I'm losing 4 bikes, a flyer, a pred and 10 assault marines, but I'm pretty content with this. I have VERY little anti-flyer, and I know it, but honestly the Storm Talon wasn't that great to begin with for 155 points....I might think about putting him back in instead of that Eradicator, but I'm not sure...that cover ignoring large blast seems handy....I'd rather have a Thunderfire and two more bikes, but I don't have one and won't be able to afford one before the tourney....And a bit of AV14 is nice. I'd like to find room for the HB sponsons, but I don't want to drop a bike for them I don't think.

[danydaigle24]

I would switch the plasma on bike squad for flamers and cut a little bit more point like probably in the command squad to get a executioner instead of eradicator.

eradicator wont attrack FP, I know if I would play it I would probably ignore it most of the game since I dont care its AP4 and also you need more AP2 blast...

[Frosty the Pirate]

Yeah, the eradicator is kinda in a bad place. It does the same thing as a Hellhound or Banewolf for more points. Yeah you get that Russ Chassis, but it's not scary enough to warrant throwing FP at it unless your for sure going to kill it (read: Meltaguns)

The Platoon will work as fire support/backfield grabber, I would really recommend some flamers on the PCS or something, just so they aren't useless. 4 Flamers out the hatch is a nasty surprise!

The lone Tornado just looks like low hanging fruit as far as First blood would be concerned, but the Feb tournament doesn't use that. So it's not really much of a downside.

3x MM Attack bikes is overkill imo, 2 is plenty and will be easier to hide than 3.

I think the Eradicator needs to swap out, either do what Danny said and upgrade to an Executioner, or swap it back out for the Talon, and mash the Tornado into the other speeder squadron (or upgrade to Typhoon) perhaps dropping one of the MM Attack bikes if you need some points to make ends meet.

[thesanityassassin]

Sounds good guys...I wasn't sure if the Eradicator would provide any use with the ability to deal with say, a horde of Orks in cover, or a dug in guard squad, but I can see how the points are a bit high for it. I might try to get a Hellhound box in time for the even, but I'm not sure. Things like Plague Zombies in cover scare me, and he'd just wipe them out, but I get where you're going. Depends a lot on what armies are showing up.

I actually had flamers on one of the squads, but thought I would want more AP2....changing them to plasma ate the flamers I had on the PCS.

Do you think 2 MM bikes would be worth having in a squad together, or simply stick them back in with my bike squads?

As for the Tornado, I'm kind of counting on the scenarios not being from the book to make it work....just deepstrike it and if it works it works well, if not, oh well.

I'll tweak a bit more....change out that Eradicator for a Stormtalon again, then drop the extra attack bike.....That'd let me turn that Tornado into a Typhoon, and get flamers in my PCS. Still not sure if I want to give up the Plasma on the other bike squad, though I do agree that a flamer bike squad would be fantastically useful.

[Frosty the Pirate]

2 MM bikes are absolutely worth taking as their own unit. The big thing is by taking them as their own unit, you don't have to sacrifice bolters/plasma when trying to take out a land raider for example.

Those changes sound fantastic, if the points really line up like that, I'll be impressed.

[thesanityassassin]

Captain on Bike, Artifacer, TH/SS, 195

Command Squad
Company Champ w/ Lance, 3xStorm Shield, 2xPower Lance, Power Fist 335

Troops:

5 Bikes, 2 x Flamer, Power-something, Melta Bomb 170

5 Bikes, 2 x Plasma, Power Something, Melta Bomb 190

5 Bikes, 2 x Melta, Combi-Melta 170

Fast Attack

StormTalon, Typhoon Launcher 155

3 x Typhoon + HF 270

2 x MM Attack Bike 100

Allied Guard

HQ:
Commissar Lord 70

Troops:

PCS, 4 x Flamer 50
in Chimera w/ HF, 55

4 x Guard Squad w/ Autocannon 240



There's what we've got for 2k. I COULD switch those melta bombs for Vox Casters, but knowing the uses I got out of the bombs before, I think they're probably a better choice than the limited number of orders I'd be using anyway.

[thesanityassassin]

I wish I could get my hands on a Vendetta instead of that Stormtalon, but I think it's probably too late for that, though I'll see.

[Frosty the Pirate]

One final thing to note.

I found when running a solo chimera, the internet standard of ML/HF is actually pretty awful. If you have 3-4 chimeras it works pretty well, but with 1 you really need to get some utility out of those points as a opposed to mass firepower.

What I found when I used 2x heavy bolter on my chimera (since you have to actually score a hit with a weapon to use a searchlight) it became far better at the utility role, IE searchlighting a target from 36" T1, blocking, engaging, delaying units going for the blob by flaming stuff. And I found the 2xHB setup was a really good complement to that.

[thesanityassassin]

I can certainly see that making sense Ray. And I guess with 4 flamers inside, the HF is a little less useful. I'll see what I can do in regards to sticking a Heavy Bolter in the turret...I have lots of spares from the heavy weapon teams and Attack Bikes.

[danydaigle24]

Yeah I agree with Ray and I like this version it looks pretty good

[Frosty the Pirate]

If you need it, I have several spare turrets from my rhino conversions. They just lack the top hatch. If you wanted an open hatch it wouldn't even be an issue.

Let me know if you want one of them, the bits are all still on sprue

[thesanityassassin]

Pulled out the models for it to make sure they were all here....the only thing I have to do is try and make the big halberd on the White Scars Khan look like a hammer and see if I can get a heavy bolter to fit in the Chimera turret.


The Guard are arguably painted, though none by me and the majority look like crap....still, I'll leave them till last...they can always go as they are if I need them to.