Various 2000 Point Chaos Lists, zeroing in on Feb

[nsc]

I'm trying to nail down my final 2000 but I'm having some difficulty.

Hopefully you fellows will be able to chime in with some opinions.


The general core of the list won't change much and is as follows:

Kharn points

Sorceror 165 points(total)
Terminator Armour (??)
Mastery Level 3 (??)
Spell Familiar (??)
Mark of Tzeentch(??)
Combi-Bolter (twin linked bolter) (??)
Force Axe (??)

The sorceror can change, I can run a power armour Sorceror with a force staff or Ahriman. However I don't expect him to change much, since dropping the terminator armour means he needs to pickup a Sigil of corruption to get a 4+ invul (3+ after MoZ) for 25 points. Which is the cost of terminator armor. So I'm running him as a terminator without sigil to get a 4+ invul (including MoZ).

Troops will have:

9x Berserkers 257 points total
4x Chain Axes (??)
Veterans (??)
Rhino (??)
Extra Armor on Rhino (??)
Champion has Combi-melta (??)
Champion has Melta bombs (??)

9x Berserkers 257 points (as above)

And

9 Thousand Sons 247 points total
Aspiring sorcerer has meltabombs (??)

That's 325 points on my HQ and 761 on my Troops (so far)

And a grand total of 1086 points spent.

Now for the fun variance which I can't quite nail down.
I definitely want another troop slot. Power armor or cultists though.

I've been thinking about the following:
10 CSMs at 175 points
Two flamers (??), veterans (??)
As a joke I might give the champion a plasma pistol (??).
Then Cypher is WYSIWYG aspiring champion.
(The PP upgrade is VERY last priority, dropping two c-axes seems doable if there are 9 spare points)...)

This can be modified, but I've heard lots of horror stories of nids obliterating chaos without flamers, I wouldn't mind running these guys with plasma guns but then if I need the flamers the Obliterators become much more valuable. Although without the plasmas the obliterators are my go to plasmas.

My heavy slots have a ton of choices...

I have six beautiful obliterators, each are ?? points and are amazing. I love them (even if they don't love me and roll four 1s and two 2s on eight dice).

A havoc squad with four missile launchers which clocks in at 175-155 points depending if I want ?? guys with flakk upgrades or ?? of them.
This is without veterancy or anything else fancy...

And finally a Land raider.
245 points with the extra armor upgrade and a dirge caster.

The LR has a bonus of cheating its way into the elite section as a transport for (by the way here are my elite choices which are fewer, we in the business call this a segway)

Three terminators with Combi meltas and power axes. 110 points for the trio and they are guaranteed to pop one vehicle a game (almost) after deepstriking. They also let me have four heavy support options. Or they can ride in the land raider and threaten to counter something mid game.

With the LR they swell up to 350 points, but they are very good at their job of openning one tin can. Or threatening a trio of terminators chopping up things with axes.
No upgrades beyond the combi meltas as they're kind of suicide fodder.

I also have the Abbadon special.

5-10 chosen with five melta guns. 140-212 points.
Not much to say. They'll ride in the LR or a rhino, jump out and pretend to be firedragons, then charge whatever was inside.
I also have a new Abbadon model so technically I could take the armless wonder himself and make them troops (swapping the sorc lord for Abaddon and getting khorney in melee)

In fast attack I only have one lonely bike squad.

Four members, two with their TL bolters swapped to plasma guns for 140 points, 145 and they're veterans.
Fast moving plasma, denial units, counter-charge units with hammer of wrath and base 2 attacks (3 on the champ) with bolt pistols and CCWs.

I'd need to get my hands on two plasma guns, but I do like cavalry and this option brings two more plasma guns to the table which I'm a fan of. Yet at the cost of two obliterators, makes my heart bleed


So these are the lists I've endlessly been evaluating, tweaking and weighing against each other.

List #1, The first maybe the worst

HQ
Sorc + Kharn
(originally I coined this duo of tzeentch caster + kharn as the unholy alliance as kharn would sooner behead the caster than fight beside him tee hee)

Troops
CSM double flames (not vets)
Zerkers 3x C-axe
Zerkers 3x C-axe (no rhino, not vets)
T suns

Elites
Termintators +LR

Heavy
Havoc squad
Oblit x2
Oblit x2

Drops veterancy and two c-axes to fit everything in snugly. Was close to what I tested against tom. Problem is kharn is riding in a LR with his squad (they start out it then T1 hop in) this is dangerous because they're sitting ducks T1 AND they have a tendancy of entering combat sooner than their brother squad and that's no good for the 'zerkers.


List #2,

HQs
Kharn + Sorc

Troops
CSM flamer flamer
Zerks
Zerks
Tsuns -1 man (so 7 guys + sorceror)

Heavy
Land Raider
3x Oblits
Havocs

Elites
Five fingers of chosen CSMs.

This kit gets greedy and the only downside is it's running melta bombs on the non-kharn zerker squad (and no csm or chosen meltas but semantics). Going up to the full 9 man Tsuns squad is a possibility but at the cost of some upgrades here and there (maybe some flakk and c-axes could pay for another rubric).

Probably needs some more tweaking / finessing.

List #3 Obli-ously the best

HQ
Troops (same)

Elites
Chosen

Heavy
LR
3x Obliterators
2x Obliterators

This time the zerkers both have melta bombs, all troops are vets, and there's still 9 free points floating around for minute upgrades possibly (really only something like melta bombs on chosen or csms and maybe a combi-bolter (aka TL bolter) on a champion somewhere) or the aforementioned CYPHER ASPIRING CHAMPION

List #4

Pretty much the above list but running 5 bikers with two plasma guns instead of the five melta chosen.
A c-axe is dropped in this list to run Cypher.

List #5 the failbaddon special

HQ
Abaddon + Kharn (living together in pewter and finecast in my army box in HAAAAAAAAARMONY)

10 man chosen with 5x melta in the troops

Leaving 671 points for goodies.

Such as:

LR
4x Oblits
5x Bikers w/2x plasma

Oh wow.
That failbaddon list looks like everything I could want... except psykers...

Why must you be so hard to justify thousand sons.

[LizardTau]

Just a warning don't put down the specific costs to thing like a total is ok but say melta bomb cost $$ because gw gets mad

Sent from my GT-I9100M using proboards

[nsc]

Somehow I think we're FAR under GW's radar, but I'll conform to your rules Don't want the boogeyman coming down here.

[Jack Shrapnel]

it's more just standard forum convention that everyone ascribes to... more because GW will single out one or two (albiet MUCH bigger than us) websites to target with their silly cease and desist letters and such... so if everyone's used to playing by those rules than no one gets in trouble....

.... that and GW should read this forum... it rocks

[nsc]

Given that GW policy is "nobody but us knows how to sell to a niche market, so ignore everything outside us" I think we're safe

As far as my lists are concerned, I'm leaning towards the abaddon package.

Abby the Armless
Kharn

CSMs with double flamer and veterans
18 Zerkers with veterans two rhinos, 2x extra amor, 8x c-axes, 2x combi meltas
6 Chosen with 5 meltas, mark of slaanesh, icon of feel no pain

5x Bikers, 2x plasma gun

Land Raider, Extra Armour Dirge Caster

4x Obliterators




So abaddon and the chosen are in the land raider giving abby FNP.
You pretty much have to ask yourself, if you could pay 45 or 55 points to give Abaddon FNP would you? I think yes, yes you would.

[Frosty the Pirate]

You don't need extra armour on the rhinos, it's basically useless since rhinos often don't survive multiple pens.

Instead take dirges and or dozers on the rhinos, will help those zerkers quite a bit.

[nsc]

If the rhinos don't survive then why would I take dirges on them?

The armor is to prevent potshots from stalling my guys, if they want to crack open rhinos they will, but I don't want my zerkers to be stalled out in my DZ...

[calitom]

I prefer the Abbadon list, and yes- Dirge is good for land Raiders and perhaps Vindicators but nothing else in the codex is really durable enough to support it- EA on rhinos is the better idea as well.

[nekekami]

Destroyer Blades.

[voodoo]

It looks solid, tough units, decent ability to hold objectives and some tough HQ's to use as a force multiplier where required.

The only thing I see missing is the ability to easily deal with flyers. Your oblits are going to be your go-to flyer destroyer, but they'll be relying on snap shots to hit. A 100 point aegis line with quad cannon is a cheap and easy way to deny fliers, or for 170 you could bring a dragon and then have the option of a vector strike as well as area denial with the flame option.

I used to be the biggest fan EVER of oblits but I'm fairly stuck to havocs with MoN, especially when manning the above mentioned aegis, they get a cover save, increased toughness and can deal with fliers without the need of a flakk upgrade.

[nsc]

The Havocs I was considering but at 180 points as Vets that's 40 points over the Obliterators which is the difference between the 4th and 5th biker.

As far as tossing in an aegis... I'd probably take a Lascannon on the Aegis honestly, put that BS4 to good use from the Havoc SGT.

But if I want to run this then I have to cut my CSM down to cultists to free up the points, It's an interesting option.

I'm tempted to run my 3+ armour list and just cross my fingers that nobody is a big enough jerk to bring a flying circus.

[nsc]

Another Day, Another List:
HQ:
Abby
Chaos Lord, MoN, Iron Halo, Bolt Pistol, Power Fist

Troops:
Cultists 10
CSM, Flamer Flamer, Vets, Power Axe on Champ
Chosen, 8, MoS, Icon of FNP, 5x Meltas, Melta Bombs on Champion
Plague Marines x 9, 2x Plasma Gun, Rhino, Extra Armour

Fast Attack:
5x Bikers, 2x Plasma
Heldrake
Heldrake

Heavy:
Land Raider, Extra Armour Dirge Caster
2x Obliterators