DA all comers 2000

[nekekami]

Not enough bolters for Salvo banner. Ideally you'd want at least 2 full tactical squads to max out that shooting, which pretty much covers your need for anti infantry. I'd just say go for the Banner of Fortitude and not have an Apothecary so you can buff your other close in units as well.

Mixing assault weapons in the DW squads is almost counter productive now, since Vengeful Strike is so good. I'm also on the fence about CMLs now, with assault cannons and plasma options for cheaper. CMLs are good for sure, I'm just not sure if they're better for more points.

Knights are solid, as are the Black Knights (I assume that's what you meant by the GL at least). The Darkshroud I'm still iffy on, even for 80 points, but I suppose it gives you a 3+ cover for those krak missiles hitting your elite bikes.

The Dev is the only weird choice I see here. You already have lots of crowd clearing, and a ton of infantry with no transports and only so much aegis line to hide everything behind. I'd think that the points would be better spent on a couple of Preds and/or some fast attack options.

So far I'm seriously disappointed in the lack of Vengeance speeders. They're amazing, and easily pack the biggest punch for points in the new Codex.

[canadianguy]

Devies I find I see tons of power armour armies. I question the vengence. Its 3 plasma shots or a big plasma template on a fragile platform

[minmuffin]

i was thinking of this list while on the shiter
if you take azeral as your comander
a commade group with the salvo banner and put them in a landraider crusade for more bolters and three troops with bolters stiking close to landraider and sitting mid feild and in fast take the flyer with even more bolters thought the flyer well have to get close to banner to take advantage of it thought i think that youll only get one turn with the salvo bolters
and i guess typoons and preds for havey fire

well work for alot of anti infantry and needs a little work thought i have figured out points yet

[thesanityassassin]

I'm impressed at the amount of fire that Vengeance can put out of the cost, and I like what is effectively a fast attack choice as Heavy Support....I am a bit concerned about it being AV10 all around with 2 hullpoints though. I know how fast Landspeeders can die...

[canadianguy]

For the cost of the vengence I can take the following:

Min dev squad w 4 plasma cannons and a rhino

[canadianguy]

Also if the command squad jumps in rhino they can shadow the RWK as being relentless thay can move and shot their TL bolters at salvo 4. A lot of daka