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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jul 31, 2013 7:08:29 GMT -5
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Post by empirearmy on Aug 1, 2013 5:54:52 GMT -5
This article is great as far as employing a asymmetrical force. However, as soon as you opponent does not you will have issues. Want proof...sure.
I have been part of an asymmetrical force for 15 years. The greatest difficulty we faced was the enemy in the middle east. Half of our firepower was useless as we could not bring it to bear on the enemy.
A balanced list is always best, but if you can tweak it to meet you needs then do it.
The asymmetrical force is an old army argument, and I don't think it will die off any time soon.
I hate mixing my profession with gaming but in this case I had to chime in.
Mike
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Aug 1, 2013 7:02:15 GMT -5
Well you exactly illustrate the point Mike... the article brings up that unbalancing your force gives you an advantage against some army builds, but when you run into your hard counter BAM, you're done... I think this is the problem a lot of cron-air flavour of the month builds had, where they would absolutely wreck those unprepared for fliers, but then they'd run into someone who was and fall flat... part of why while people were freaking out about the army, it never actually won any major tournaments, because running such an asymmetrical force means as soon as you run into your counter you're done!
I agree totally... balance is the key... however some forces which are asymmetrical can still work...
mono-god daemons, although not the competitive way of running that army for example, are the kings of asymmetrical armies... they just don't have some choices available to them at all and rely almost totally upon close combat (Tzeentch aside obviously) to do all their killing.... can still work, but when you run into your hard counter, you're just done (as my khorne found out against eldar last tourney!) 5th ed tyranids had a similar problem... they can work, but didn't have the tools they needed against mech and were at an uphill battle (big bad MC's can only hit rhinos on 6's? sigh I remember well)...
intentionally running an asymmetrical force is I think a mistake in a competitive environment, and agree 100% with what you said - balance is best!
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Post by voodoo on Aug 1, 2013 16:58:05 GMT -5
This article is great as far as employing a asymmetrical force. However, as soon as you opponent does not you will have issues. Want proof...sure. I have been part of an asymmetrical force for 15 years. The greatest difficulty we faced was the enemy in the middle east. Half of our firepower was useless as we could not bring it to bear on the enemy. A balanced list is always best, but if you can tweak it to meet you needs then do it. The asymmetrical force is an old army argument, and I don't think it will die off any time soon. I hate mixing my profession with gaming but in this case I had to chime in. Mike True, at least in 40k one side isn't hobbled by the Geneva conventions while the other can do whatever they feel like. Would be a bit funny on occasion though. "My marine with the plasma cannon waves it menacingly at your eldar and grimaces." |
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