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Post by Frosty the Pirate on Aug 28, 2013 8:57:31 GMT -5
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Post by voodoo on Aug 28, 2013 18:19:37 GMT -5
Another great article!
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Post by Frosty the Pirate on Aug 29, 2013 8:21:54 GMT -5
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Aug 29, 2013 9:08:53 GMT -5
really good article I do like his tactical articles for sure ... but in his examples, I think it would be highly unlikely that the guard player would hide his guardsman behind his aegis but NOT his heavy weapons squad... ....okay he might do it ONCE but I don't think that would occur that often after that!.. lol...
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Post by Frosty the Pirate on Aug 29, 2013 10:23:30 GMT -5
Once you read part 3, and kinda mash it into part 2, you'll see why he made that example.
You can create cover for certain models (since cover is on a per-model basis) and then snipe out important models or reduce the number of casualties required to get to them using those 2 tricks combined.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Aug 29, 2013 12:02:49 GMT -5
nope... not really... still bad example... that guard player was making a bad mistake still...
he makes a very good example in part three though of using your own models to give cover save to a tanking IC given that you only have to have a cover save vs. ONE of the firing models to get a cover save from an entire unit...
however, please also note this will screw you over WAY more often than help you, as now people are aware (for example something I didn't know) that you no longer require the majority of models in cover to receive a cover save...
...so yeah, you'll be getting cover FAR more often than before once this starts getting used... but for combatting the tanking tau commander or draigo for paladins, I think this is a VERY good tactic....
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Post by voodoo on Aug 29, 2013 12:11:46 GMT -5
How would that work with the Guard weapons teams though, most are firing from a seated or kneeling position and as such can’t see over an Aegis. Isn’t then deploying them outside of the Aegis the only option if you plan on shooting with them?
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Aug 29, 2013 13:15:44 GMT -5
Nope... they can still see over... as long as you don't put the model right next to it. A little back is better anyway... more ablative wounds.... I mean valuable guardsmen troops...
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Post by Frosty the Pirate on Aug 29, 2013 13:48:11 GMT -5
Now there's two words I would never of thought I'd see together...
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Post by Khalai on Aug 29, 2013 14:07:06 GMT -5
Now there's two words I would never of thought I'd see together... Maybe not in that context. *Remembers dream of building Steel Legion during the Armageddon campaign*
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Aug 29, 2013 14:10:27 GMT -5
my tyranids find guardsmen to be a valuable source of protein... that counts right?
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Post by voodoo on Aug 29, 2013 14:33:25 GMT -5
Doesn’t every Commissar find guardsmen valuable sources of stress relief?
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Post by Hizack on Aug 30, 2013 3:26:43 GMT -5
Hmm, quite interesting. Though we don't really find too many tank stars locally. Good to have this strategy in your pocket though.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Aug 30, 2013 6:36:03 GMT -5
and I will bring up that if it's an IC attached to a unit, and you've given that unit a cover save with your own models, the whole unit has the cover save, including the IC, so you can't actually put wounds on the squad because the IC and squad have the same cover save....
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Post by Frosty the Pirate on Aug 30, 2013 8:12:12 GMT -5
and I will bring up that if it's an IC attached to a unit, and you've given that unit a cover save with your own models, the whole unit has the cover save, including the IC, so you can't actually put wounds on the squad because the IC and squad have the same cover save.... Nope, only the models that are 25% obscured get the cover save because cover saves are a per-model (not per-unit) basis. So if you only obscure 5 of the 10 guys in the unit, 5 of them have cover, and 5 don't, and focus fire can be used to eliminate the ones with no cover save. The BIGGEST change in 6th was that cover saves are now per-model even within a unit. It's seriously like the most forgotten rule in 40k atm, because everyone is still stuck in 5th ed mindset of per unit basis cover saves Now, if you obscured the entire unit (or the whole unit had a better cover save from say a ruin) then yes this tactic would be useless. But that's not the point, the point is about be able to take control over the models you remove, and negating tanky characters like Corbulo and the O-mortal.
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