Anti-Tank Issues

[Hizack]

Now, this is a slightly different tactics thread as I'm looking for some help with my Elysians. I've got about 155-230ish points that is the last bit of my 2k list. In these points I need to sort out some strong anti vehicle.

I've tried a few things out like a Thunderbolt, two Vendettas and lately I've been playing with the 6x Hunter Killer missile with 2x twin linked missile launcher Vulture.

They're all fairly underwhelming I've found out. The Vendettas tend to miss a lot even with them being twin linked. The Thunderbolt is far too fragile and over priced despite being a great model. Lastly the missile Vulture hasn't got the punch I need. Str 8 AP 3 it has plenty of but I need something that can actually do more than just remove hull points as a way of killing vehicles.

My codex options are limited and things like drop sentinels while interesting are about 60 points per model for 1 BS 3 multimelta shot.

Short of hopping out my three units that have melta guns to pop enemy armour which is a risk I might have to take I'm still stuck in a hard place when dealing with flyers that are AV12 like the Storm Raven.

I know quite a few of you know exactly how my list plays and I'm sure you've thought of trying it yourself which you're welcome to if you'd like to see why I love it so much. Though I need outside perspective. I need anti-tank for the price range above I listed that is atleast AP 2 and can deal with higher armoured enemy fliers like the Storm Raven. My Punisher Vultures can deal with AV 11 or 10 on their own or with multi-laser support.

What kind of external help is there? As I'm not sure the right answer lays in my codex.

[voodoo]

I'd pare back a few points and pick up a knight, they're the best can openers around. Bring the errant so you've got a lg blast melta with double dice at 18" then charge him in and let the str d chainsword rip anything apart.

Not to mention how dirty it'd be to have to face not only your elysians but a damned knight too, lol. Talk about weeping tears of blood.

[Jack Shrapnel]

yeah but the knight is totally useless against a raven... it's fine against landraiders, but the Elysians can actually just ignore raiders for the game.

I'd say you need a fortification.

[thesanityassassin]

The Vengeance Batteries that I take are extremely useful at dealing with incoming enemy flyers. 75 points each, with 2 S9AP2 twin-linked shots with a 96" range. The BS2 is a bit unfortunate, but it still reliably lands 2 hits between the guns, and that almost always forces a jink at minimum. During regular turns they will just target the closest model, which can sometimes be a pain, but the Interceptor rule happily bypasses that, and given that you'd be largely wanting them for taking down things like Storm Ravens on the way in, they serve that purpose well.

What are the Taurox Venators like? I know those can get Lascannons? Or the Rapier weapon batteries?

Otherwise, I'm not really sure what other things exist that fit with your army. I know there are a load of Imperial flyers available, but I don't know much about their armament.

[canadianguy]

As a sister player whats wrong with suicide melta squads? As far as flyers, fortification, flak gun (cool conversion options here to fit elysions), your own flyers, high volume twinlinked guns unsure if that is an option for elysians.

[Hizack]

Hmm interesting. It seems I'd have to try the Vendetta's again since they're really not too different from the Vengeance Batteries.

While the fortification route is an interesting one since it gets interceptor, maybe I should just use the Vendetta in a different roll. I'm thinking of only bringing one to save space on the table, and use it primarily as anti-flyer support while using the Melta Vets to bust open the heavy armour even though I don't like to spend my preciously fragile infantry like that. I guess it's okay now that their transports count as scoring but we'll see.

Unfortunately the units like Taurox Venators which can take a TL Lascannon are quite expensive for an AV 11-10-10 open topped vehicle that doesn't benefit from a jink save that helps out Dark Eldar paper vehicles. I don't know what the Rapier Weapon Platforms are like as I don't have that book so I can't comment there.


Thanks for all the advice guys, looks like I'll have to try the Vendetta again and maybe this time he wont roll an average of 1 hit with 3 twinlinked shots. If it doesn't work I'll go the fortification route. What kind were you thinking Shannon? Bastion? Vengeance Battery or the ADL with Icarus?

[voodoo]

If you do a bastion you could load it up top with a vindicare sniper and the Icarus lascannon. Ignore jink bs-bajillion that is useful even if not intercepting as he can let the Icarus auto target and fire his own rifle if need be.