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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Feb 6, 2015 16:36:50 GMT -5
This was from the comments on Faeit, pointing out the wording for flyers and FMC's is different now:
"Hard to Hit
Zooming Flyers are incredibly difficult targets for troops without suitably calibrated weapons and scopes. Shots resolved at a Zooming Flyer can only be resolved as Snap
Shots (unless the model or weapon has the Skyfire special rule). Template and Blast weapons, and any other attacks that don’t roll To Hit, cannot hit Zooming Flyers."
"Hard to Hit
A Swooping Flying Monstrous Creature is a very difficult target for units without specialised weapons. Shots resolved at such a target can only be resolved as Snap Shots unless the model or weapon has the Skyfire special rule."
Nothing there prohibiting blasts vs FMCs so now all flyers with blast weapons which inherit Skyfire from the flier can take out FMCs with them."
so yeah, a doom scythe can shoot it's S10 blast at a flying daemon prince an insta-gib him!
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Post by shadow0908 on Feb 6, 2015 17:33:54 GMT -5
Well that's going to be an interesting challenge for necron players to figure out for sure, do they have any other aa guns or flyers without blasts?
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Post by voodoo on Feb 6, 2015 18:43:56 GMT -5
Nova charge riptides rejoice!
Seriously though, there's no respect when rolling to hit FMC's. I'd take off my boot and throw that at them to if it'd score me a wound. Lol
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Post by raceygaming on Feb 6, 2015 20:57:23 GMT -5
Geeezz even as a tau player I have to say they got to stop buffing the Riptide. for 20 pts I'm now landing S8 AP 2 templates on FMC?....that doesnt seem right....
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Post by Khalai on Feb 6, 2015 21:47:46 GMT -5
As if FMC's really needed another nerf beyond what they already got in 7th. Honestly though, doesn't make a lot of sense that one can get hit and the other can't
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Post by Hizack on Feb 7, 2015 19:12:35 GMT -5
Okay so here is the real question. What gets skyfire other than aircraft that you would want to shoot blast templates at flying monstrous creatures? Or which aircraft or FMC have blasts that they would shoot at FMC's? Only one I can think of that would be good is the heldrake. Necron one sure but I think that's about it. Wouldn't the riptide rather take 3 shots instead of trying to use a template? Since let's be honest you're shooting using the skyfire rule meaning you can't hit ground targets if you scatter.
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Post by voodoo on Feb 7, 2015 20:47:51 GMT -5
Storm eagle has 2 S5 Ap4 blasts. Not sure about any others.
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Post by LizardTau on Feb 7, 2015 21:19:06 GMT -5
the grey knight pyker missiles use to do parils one a hit from through blast but not sure if they do any more
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Post by redshirt2375 on Feb 7, 2015 21:26:23 GMT -5
Pretty sure the Crimson Hunter can take small blast weapons instead of the pulselasers as well.
Also, Dark Eldar flyers have missiles that are blast as well
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Feb 7, 2015 21:34:52 GMT -5
so yeah... there's quite a bit out there...
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Post by Hizack on Feb 8, 2015 2:26:49 GMT -5
Grey Knight Storm Raven is Str 8 Ap 2 heavy 1 concussive. No blasts there.
Would you rather have the small blasts instead of the pulse-lasers on the Crimson hunter?
I mean, the issue isn't what blasts there are because I know IG have some the real question is there any worth using instead of other things? I mean yeah you can shoot more weapons but most blasts are low strength or more anti-infantry. Shooting them on one model is a waste compared to spending that on ground targets yeah?
Like would I rather drop 2 str 4 AP 6 large blasts on a flyrant or flying daemon prince, or would I prefer to shoot those down at infantry like gants/gaunts or cultists/chaos space marines?
Yeah, it's a bit of a nerf but I sincerely doubt it'll come up and make too much of a difference to them.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Feb 8, 2015 6:58:43 GMT -5
it's not an either or question... they can do those things in addition to their other weapons.
and when a daemon prince gets hit with 4 S7 tesla shots and a small blast that instagibs them, suddenly that doom scythe gets a LOT more utility and no longer has to choose to go after the prince with half it's weaponry OR a ground target with all it's weaponry.
Tyranid flyers such as harpies/crones are the only ones that need to worry (flyrants are T6) but daemon princes are 300+ points to make them an FMC (decently equipped) so that is a lot of points you need to seriously worry about instadeath for.
very many of these flyer/skyfire blasts are an additional weapon, not the sole weapon of the unit. This just means they're doubling their fire output in a lot of ways, or suddenly hitting the flier with a high strength low AP large blast plus secondary weaponry (hi riptides!)... so yeah there are a few armies that can really take advantage of this to great effect.
not ALL armies, and FMC's have been just hit with quite a few "nerfs" this edition (I know that many were quite warranted - some, not so much) and for some people this just feels like yet another hit they didn't need, even if in the end it may not come up as often as that necron player one shotting your 330 point prince!
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Post by thesanityassassin on Feb 8, 2015 16:05:15 GMT -5
The Hunter doesn't get Blasts, but the. Hemlocks only weapon is a blast....shooting it at FMCs could be very handy with. Instant Death on 6s.
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Post by LizardTau on Feb 8, 2015 16:11:20 GMT -5
also now that everything can control objectives there is the skyfire nexus a unit of leman russes dropping templates on a fmc or even a vindocator
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