Skaven list 2400

[calitom]

Ultimately after going in circles about what I wanted to play, Skaven having so many new models released as of late has pushed me towards wanting to start up my Skaven. Ultimately I want to have two or three different lists I can build for (mostly dealing with bell or no, ratogres or no, etc) but here's the first list I have in mind.



Lord

Grey seer
Fencer's blades
Skalm
Screaming Bell

Heroes

Chieftain
BsB
Enchanted shield
Halberd

Assassin
Tail weapon


Core

30 Skavenslaves
Slings
Shields

30 Skavenslaves
Slings
Shields

40 Clanrats (The bell pushers, BSB goes here)
Shields
Musician
Banner
Warpfire thrower team

41 Clanrats (Horde formation with spears)
Shields
Spears
FC
Musician
Banner
Poisoned Wind Mortar team


Special

4 Jezzails
Sharpshooter

7 Gutter Runners
Poisoned Weapons
Slings

7 Gutter Runners
Poisoned Weapons
Slings

7 Poisoned Wind Globardiers
Bombardier
Poisoned Wind mortar team


Rare

Warp-Lightning Cannon

Doomwheel

Hell Pit Abomination
Warpstone spikes

2399 points

29.8% Character
03.5% Items
30.5% Core
19.3% Special
20.4% Rare


Now, I'm looking to bring quite a few of the things that seem to make skaven competitive, but wanted to have a few things for fun factor and to see how they play out with the rest of the list a la the assassin and the globardiers. I would have liked to have more characters, but was rather tight with everything else I would have in the list points-wise and am interested in again, trying out the plague rat style of list but this seems to be a little more fun to me for now, as I love Skryre and Eshin for a setup idea.


The other list I had in mind would be more along the lines of dropping the Bell, the globardiers, the bell pushing clanrat unit and adding in Queek and a unit of 29 Queek's Stormvermin with FC, Shields, warpfire thrower team, musician and banner. This would give me a little more of a durable fighting unit I'd think but would severely lower the number of rats I'd have in my force, and would lose me the utility of the bell.

Then of course there's always the Pestilens lists that I'd love to one day play to see if it would be doable in any capacity perhaps with a Verminlord, two Hellpits and as many diseased rats as I could pump into the list- do up the Hellpits and the Verminlord Pestilens style to have the list be fluffy as far as representation.

I could keep going with list ideas as I have a thousand, but please comment on this list- If it's decent looking enough I was gonna try to get it together before the Feb tourney.

[Jack Shrapnel]

Well here's my two cents, skaven being one of my main armies (and my primary competitive tourney army)

seer -> fencer's blades is a cool item for him, helping to offset his combat weaknesses when he eventually gets tied up by someone going for the assasination run... skalm is pricey, but can be cool as well.... a little concerned though that you don't have a dispel scroll in this list... it's pretty much a mandatory item in 8th if there ever was one...

BSB - halberd is two handed... can't use it and the enchanted shield, and by the rules of 8th ed, if you have a "special weapon" you must use it. Your BSB is going to be target #1 - make him survivable... someone will just either challenge, or worse, allocate attacks onto him to kill him off... he can't hide unless a challenge is issued.

Assassin - a cool choice. but make him super cool... weeping blades or warpstone stars... he's pricey, so if you're going to run him, use his full assassin potential....

slaves - if you need to save points the slings and shields aren't mandatory, but they can hold up a suprising amount of things with the shields... and once in a blue moon the slings kill something... so can be a good setup, or unnecessary - depends if you want them to tarpit or just blow up in an entertaining mess...

never, ever, ever, ever, ever put clanrats in a horde formation. They need ranks to retain steadfast and strength in numbers. They won't kill alot. S3 attacks just don't generate the kills to be worth horde formation... counter-intuitive I know, but really skaven don't benefit from the "horde" rule... (I think it's just named wrong!)

weapons teams are solid.... and the gutter runners are very effective units (Scott swears by them in his list)

I'm assuming 4 Jezzails / sharpshooter is five models total? Just remember to pick your targets with these guys well, because no Strength in Numbers at that size, and they'll run off the board at a stiff breeze if they're forced to take a panic check (which they will eventually). Make sure they make those knights pay first!!!!

warp lightning cannon is awesome.... very effective unit...

globadiers can be a fun unit... (just don't expect miracles - they'll panic SO easy) but I'd go with a minimum sized unit if you're just trying to get in a weapons team with them... it's not like they'll be running away any less with five models....

doomwheel's can be hit and miss, but they're always fun! (and that's what counts in skaven) just remember that they can't take on ranked units alone... just not going to happen... choose your targets well and make sure the first turn they're closest to slaves, not your bell unit or clanrats... blowing up slaves is funny and good for morale...

Hellpit - the heaviest hitter the skaven can get... and a nice new model - which goes on sale five short days from now... not that I'm counting : )

and if you're going to bring the pit, warpstone spkes are always a good choice... surprised it doesn't come with those standard....

altogether I think you have the makings of a rock solid skaven list.

[calitom]

Thanks for the responses! Will drop the halberd, the slings off the slaves and lower the number of globardiers. Likely using points towards more survivability for the bsb and a magical weapon for the assassin. Any leftovers likely going towards either beefing up the jezzails' numbers or more clanrats.