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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Feb 10, 2021 8:14:11 GMT -5
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Post by Frosty the Pirate on Feb 10, 2021 9:06:09 GMT -5
I lol'ed.
Interesting that all three builds used similar but distinctly different elements, and Terminators seem to be the key building block all three of the lists were built upon as their keystone anvil for anchoring their battle line, but then went about killing the enemy and scoring in different ways.
The list that took 4th place is the most interesting to me. Ferric Blight and THIRTY Plague Marines with all the trimmings with a ton of board control. I feel that could become a very strong archetype especially once people start figuring out how to deal with one-trick ponies like the Flash Outbreak Plague Drone bombing The Droning in enemy lines that helped propel the top list to victory. You can't just deal with that many W2 T5 3+ DR obsec models easily.
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Post by Typhus on Feb 10, 2021 10:42:28 GMT -5
Terminators (of both flavours this time!) are certainly the strongest units in the Codex. I, too, love that 30 Plague Marine list.
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Post by Frosty the Pirate on Feb 11, 2021 13:11:09 GMT -5
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Feb 11, 2021 13:21:31 GMT -5
best advice right at the beginning "you have to kill him or slow him down but you cannot ignore him"
Matt and I did a test list of "what if you just ignore him and focus on the rest of the army"
result: you get tabled by Mortarian despite having no support.
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Post by LizardTau on Feb 11, 2021 13:29:57 GMT -5
Lol I did suicide nul zone libarian before it was cool lol |
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Feb 11, 2021 14:03:14 GMT -5
Yeah but I like how they said that this is one of those nervous plays... it all depends on that one spell going off at the one time when you have everything lined up just perfect... what could go wrong? lol I really like how they got to the list of armies that have no chance of doing it, and I own three of them...lol and the ones that "maybe if everything goes right" and those are the rest  |
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Post by voodoo on Feb 11, 2021 14:09:32 GMT -5
Yeah, you 100% CAN NOT ignore Morty. You've got to hit him hard and early. Ideally if you go first, even if you don't kill him, make sure you pump everything you can at range into him to bracket him down once or twice to slow him down; making it easier to get a second round of shooting on him.
It's hideous to feel like you're "wasting" your whole army on one model, but that one model will remove your entire army if not dealt with.
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Post by trantos01 on Feb 11, 2021 21:15:53 GMT -5
Sort of like the Tesseract Vault, Magnus, Imperial Knights and so on. If you can't deal with them quickly, your army will get mauled in all sorts of fun and interesting ways while your opponent racks up victory points.
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Post by Malarks on Feb 12, 2021 9:32:49 GMT -5
best advice right at the beginning "you have to kill him or slow him down but you cannot ignore him" Matt and I did a test list of "what if you just ignore him and focus on the rest of the army" result: you get tabled by Mortarian despite having no support. Totally balanced. Very fun game mechanics. *sigh* |
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Feb 12, 2021 9:44:09 GMT -5
best advice right at the beginning "you have to kill him or slow him down but you cannot ignore him" Matt and I did a test list of "what if you just ignore him and focus on the rest of the army" result: you get tabled by Mortarian despite having no support. Totally balanced. Very fun game mechanics. *sigh* Oh you don't bring Mortarian if you're looking for a fun game... he's hard mode for the opponent. for a friendly pick up game this is one of those times where you really ask before you play. One sided games aren't fun for anyone. |
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Post by voodoo on Feb 12, 2021 9:52:55 GMT -5
best advice right at the beginning "you have to kill him or slow him down but you cannot ignore him" Matt and I did a test list of "what if you just ignore him and focus on the rest of the army" result: you get tabled by Mortarian despite having no support. Totally balanced. Very fun game mechanics. *sigh* This is EXACTLY what FAQ's are for. GW has been on point with adjusting abuses. If Death Guard continue to easily dominate, I have no doubt Morty will receive an adjustment in either rules, or points. Is it annoying right now because you have to think in a completely new way when you see that model across the board? Yes. Is it a part of the game that's not going away that we all have to deal with? Also yes. It's an abusive model, everyone knows it's abusive; and anyone that's going to field Morty is doing so knowing full well that they're bring the most OP unit in 40k at the present time. Morty is annoying, and broken; but he's not unkillable. Think smart, plan smart, play your plan and play to the mission. Shannon took a decisive win with his Genestealer Cult army against a VERY tooled up Harlequins list. On paper, it should have been an absolute blowout on the Harlies part; but... With planning, Shannon won. "garbage tier" vs "top tier'. It's all about planning and execution. |
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Post by LizardTau on Feb 12, 2021 9:57:29 GMT -5
Totally balanced. Very fun game mechanics. *sigh* Oh you don't bring Mortarian if you're looking for a fun game... he's hard mode for the opponent. for a friendly pick up game this is one of those times where you really ask before you play. One sided games aren't fun for anyone. Which is why I use to bring two lists on Saturdays. One with levithan(s) and one without when they were broke. |
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Post by raceygaming on Feb 12, 2021 10:11:34 GMT -5
Also not to just push the problem down the road but this was deathguard first tournament with a very strong codex that people had very little practise against.
I'm gonna guess we are gonna see a very very strong showing at the next month tournaments when Dark angles show up for the first time
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Post by Malarks on Feb 12, 2021 10:23:00 GMT -5
Yeah.... Y'all know my feelings on Lords of War and Primarchs and the like... You're exactly right - they are not fun to play against and if you bring them, you know exactly what you are doing (though, in fairness to anyone who fielded this sort of bullshit against me, nobody couldn't have known how soft I am without having played a game against me prior... It is a shame that I was unable to overcome this and how it resulted in my not wanting to play against people likely to bring units such as these...)
Maybe it is for the best that I have moved away from Kingston and have no means of playing, anymore.. Even Kingston is "too much" for me... I'm glad I managed to get my Lego collection back...
We spend how much money on these models? How much time assembling and painting them? How much time trying to put together a force that represents our play-style while also being able to "keep up"?
Only to show up to play and the game is this horrendous mess of balance... It feels like an arms race... It feels like the only way to win is to not play.
How is this "fun"? Don't we get stomped on enough by life itself? Can games not be a bit of reprieve from the over-bearing nature of the world we live in?
What is my incentive to carry 20lbs of models and supplies downtown, set up the 150+ models, manipulate them on the table (moving, rolling for attacks, etc) only for the opponent to wipe the board before I am able to actually accomplish much of anything in the game?
I know some of y'all will read this and think "Wow! He needs therapy!" but what about you? What does it say about you that you're unwilling to play a game fairly? That you're unwilling to play the game at a level your friends are at? What does it say about you that you need to show up with the bully-tactics?
Whatever. I'm just a sore-loser, right?
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