Chaos Marines

[lightcavalier]

From bolter and chainsword


ake it with a grain of salt, but some potential CSM leaks have finally been posted on the Bolter and Chainsword forums:



"Ok so here is a bunch of info I managed to come by from secure sources: CSM doctrine:



exact same thing as SM, except replace +1AP with exploding 6s (unmodified hits)



Icons:



vengeance +1 CA



wrath +1ap melee



flame +1ap shooting



excess +1 to hit melee



despair 6s to hit = autowound







All legions are getting 6 WT, 8 relics & 8 stratagems



Legion traits: NL



-2LD & -1CA @ 9''



+1 to advance & +1 to charges



When using a pistol/assault/melee vs below half strenght unit or LD 6 and below = +1 to wound



IW



Ignores cover



Reduce ap1/2 by 1



Heavy/grenade vs vehicules/buildings/units in cover = +1 to wound



WB



Charges/HI = reroll hits



5+++ vs MW



When using a pistol/assault/melee = 6s to wound cause 1MW (capped @ 3MW per unit)



BL



ignore CA



+1 to hit when charge or shoot closest unit



rapid fire/assault/pistol = exploding 5s (hit)



EC (4chain leak, not from my sources)



in the book



have a way of consistently hitting on 2s (even with thunder hammers)



WE



Not in the codex



Datasheet info: Chosen



3w



can use TH



Mutilators



no longer in the book



Warp talon



2w



lost cancel overwatch



gained no fallback



5a (these are total with claws)



Raptors



still have the -1LD aura



+2a



Obliterators



can shoot units that are in engagement range with them (like wraithguard)



in melee they have powerfists without the -1 to hit



3 different shooting profiles



Havocs



exactly the same as right now but 2w



Stratagems



something to ignore invuls (4chan leak, so take with a grain of salt, leak said EC chosen could destory custodes hitting with TH on a 2+ and with strat ignore invul saves)



NL deepstrike strat for jump packs, DS turn 1



NL vox scream disables AURAS



Other: IW ectoplasma forgefiend can hit on 2+ and does flat 4 damage



New cultist unit HQ



New mutant culstists

[lightcavalier]

Lol I would 100% rather have exploding 6s instead of buffed AP for combat doctrines....T1 heavy weapons exploding 6s is hilarious

Every legion getting the subfaction traits + stratagems + WL traits etc is pretty cool

[lightcavalier]

If the IW chapter trait is correct, I guess im going back to my roots.

Iron Within, Iron Without.

[Jack Shrapnel]

These look really good.... I know it's salt applied... but this seems quite solid.

[Hi I'm Derek]

Lookin spicy. Not the sort of outlandish rumours that would be hard to accept at face value

[Frosty the Pirate]

The moment you realize Shield Drones got W2 before CSM.

(I'm just salty cus WE and AL aren't in the rumor...)

[lightcavalier]

Jan 24, 2022 14:22:44 GMT -5 Frosty the Pirate said:

The moment you realize Shield Drones got W2 before CSM.

(I'm just salty cus WE and AL aren't in the rumor...)

World Eaters are in other rumours as getting their own whole codex.

AL and Renegades didnt get mentioned....but im sure theyll turn up.

[Typhus]

Mutilators squatted? Huh.

I would've thought that would be a no-brainer dual kit with the Obliterator. Wonder if they're being made exclusive to WE...

[lightcavalier]

Jan 24, 2022 15:33:46 GMT -5 Typhus said:

Mutilators squatted? Huh.

I would've thought that would be a no-brainer dual kit with the Obliterator. Wonder if they're being made exclusive to WE...

That's my gut feeling, that they'll be a WE exclusive unit.

[Khalai]

I'm liking the look of these Legions. Don't really like seeing options removed, but I mean it's not like anyone used them, totally can believe they are going to WE.

Was hoping EC was closer than EC to a book, but i guess that's more based on the original rumour of Fulgrim getting the daemon primarch treatment from years ago than anything current. I know it's been a steady WE book rumour for a while now.

[dave]

Really hoping to get my CSM army idea off the ground this year. I've been slooowly acquiring the odd model since the start of 8th, but haven't painted up anything beyond a Killteam.

They were always meant to be EC, but I've had trouble actually pinning down a list. Not so inspiring rules (spread between too many books) in 8th, full codex rumours, and then the disparity between old and new books in 9th, always gave me some reason to hold off. But now that it seems like WE really is next, I likely have some time, and hopefully a fun and fluffy book on the way.

Timing could be better for me though. I've been waiting since the launch of 9th for the tau or csm books to pull me back into the game, and now that the book for the army I already have is finally here (and might be fun?) I'm not sure when I'll get to that next project.

[colinecrontyr]

I'm just sitting here hoping my continued loyalty to the Ruinous Powers pays off this edition lmao

[redshirt2375]

If it's true, I like the change to the WB legion trait. The old ones were always meant to be fluffy but were usually ranked as bottom tier compared to most of the others

[lightcavalier]

Jan 25, 2022 7:46:59 GMT -5 redshirt2375 said:

If it's true, I like the change to the WB legion trait. The old ones were always meant to be fluffy but were usually ranked as bottom tier compared to most of the others

I like how Word Bearers are almost evil black templars

[dave]

I always thought black templars were evil black templars.