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Post by grumpyintrovert on Jul 22, 2022 11:00:37 GMT -5
Picture isnt great but it gets the point across.
I tried my first ever real attempt at batch painting. I'm not a huge fan as far as being a beginner painter goes,I missed a lot of details. But it did help me gain experience and get some paint down. I also learned how to thin my paint which has been an issue for me. Still have no clue what makes a good brush from a bad brush. I'm also trying not to stress about how it looks, worst case I can strip it and start again.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jul 22, 2022 11:41:10 GMT -5
I switched over to Raphael 8404 brushes and love them.
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Post by grumpyintrovert on Jul 22, 2022 12:00:25 GMT -5
Is there anything special to know about Sable brushes? Most of the ones I have tried so far are synthetic I believe.
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Post by Hippocampus Expert on Jul 22, 2022 12:04:34 GMT -5
They look fantastic, turned out really good!
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jul 22, 2022 13:15:29 GMT -5
Is there anything special to know about Sable brushes? Most of the ones I have tried so far are synthetic I believe. Sable brushes are so much nicer to work with. Lots more control
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Post by kaelon on Jul 22, 2022 14:15:52 GMT -5
Sable brushes hold more paint in there bellies, the tip doesn't fray or bend as much as synthetic. They have better control when using a wet palette. Usually they're triple to ten times the price as synthetic but they're worth it. I use monument bomb wick brushes and I'll never go back to anything else
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Post by grumpyintrovert on Jul 22, 2022 14:54:47 GMT -5
Thanks for the advice, I'll pick some up next time I'm out. Are they okay to use with metallic paints?
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jul 22, 2022 14:56:35 GMT -5
yep, all I use is sable for everything... other than the dot pattern on my nids which is cheap synthetic brush that I don't care about ruining the tip!
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Post by question on Jul 22, 2022 15:49:21 GMT -5
Let's start from the point that we are all our own worst critics (unless you are narcissistic). That said, I have to tell you that your pic tells me that you achieved a very good result on your first try. Rather than take the time and effort to strip and re-do them, put that in to picking out additional details if you feel the need. Otherwise, pat yourself on the head (so much easier to reach than your back) and move on to the next project.
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Post by dave on Jul 22, 2022 20:51:24 GMT -5
I will echo shannon's comment (jack) a bit here. Synthetic, or just old/cheap brushes definitely have a use and are worth keeping around.
My worst ones are for stirring, fiddling with basing material, or whatever other dirty job I have. I don't spend too much on dry brushes I know I'm just going to beat and toss once they're past their prime. If there's a technique that doesn't require precision, or is going to be hard on the tip, I use something suited to it.
I say this as someone who bought a nice set of sables too soon into my hobby journey, and ruined most of them while I was still figuring things out. They are definitely a step up in precision, but they need to be taken care of in order to keep it that way.
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Post by brujonation on Jul 23, 2022 16:10:04 GMT -5
as a fellow chaos painter, the more you paint the minis, the more details you'll notice. I love it personally as it's kind of an exploration of the army, as you build it and such. I really dig what you've done. I'm pretty slow painting wise but I don't stress about it lol.
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Post by VaUkos on Jul 23, 2022 16:13:59 GMT -5
Like Dave said, use some more of the synthetic brushs till you get down the care and maintenance because sables are a night and day difference when useing them but they are also more susceptible to getting damaged easier.
One thing you will want to get used to is when you do 1-3 passes or every 10-30 seconds you want to wash the brush in your paint pot and make sure you don't get paint no more than 50-70ish% up the bristles And start useing brush conditioner/soap to clean and shape them after use.
And the raphael 8404's are hand down one of the best sales I've delt with I haven't tried the windows and newton's yet just due to price/brush and if ypur interested in getting some I can give ypu my site I buy from that's is very fair priced but they come from Sweden so it takes a hot minute before you get them.
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Post by dave on Jul 23, 2022 16:57:51 GMT -5
I'll just add that if you would like to try out some sables, but worry about care or price, there's a reasonable alternative to "the best".
I'm a fan of Rosemary and Co, particularly for the price. They have a few lines, sable and synthetic. I believe their series 33 sables are the most highly rated (and the ones I liked best). They aren't on the level of W&N or Raphael, but they are good, and much cheaper.
It used to be that you had to order them from the UK (and get hit with import fees) but now they have distributors in Canada. I ordered a set not too long ago from Kingdom Titans in Quebec.
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Post by grumpyintrovert on Jul 23, 2022 18:57:08 GMT -5
I really appreciate the advice on the brushes and I think I'm going to pick some up. But I still need to learn how to take care of them properly. I'm really aggressive with the brush and I don't know if that is bad for it. Also for cleaning it I generally just mash it into a cup of water then brush on paper towel to see if I still have paint and repeat until "clean"
How long should a brush typically last before it starts getting all frayed and uncontrollable?
When the tip gets all curly or hairs start to fall out is it normal to snip the tip or pluck them? Or is that time for a new brush?
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Post by VaUkos on Jul 23, 2022 19:24:55 GMT -5
So when I would buy the gw synthetics the fraying, loose shape wouldn't happen for me till 1-2 months and that's if I was babying it by painting max 1-2 hrs for three days a week and I would swap out the paint water every 10-20th rinse, how I normally paint where I do it for 4-12hrs a few times a week even with doing everything else they would only last a few weeks,
so depending on how long your paint for per session can affect it and if you are rinsing the brush in water you can't see the bottom too you can cause frying even when being super gentle because paint watter is building up in the furrel,
but for curbing aggressive painting the best way I curbed that is I would on put paint up to 25ish % of the bristles so the very tip so you get used to the idea of on useing the very tip of it and do that for a while when ypu paint and you will see a difference in lasting shape
Another thing I do but to their own and some find it gross is when I finish rinsing the brush I shape it with my lips and that can help a bit with shape longevity
Now for plucking and removing issue bristles, you never want to pull the bristle out because the rest will fall out, you want to cut it as close to the base of the furrle but keeping a little bit of length, but this is the last ditch effort, what I try first is cleaning and conditioning it soap/oils for a few days with no use to try and force it into shape but this method would only really work for sables, but some times I will just trim the hair till it's in the curvature of the bristle body.
But gw brushes as available as they are they are hot garbage, I would try the army painter ones.
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