Club champs considerations

[Jack Shrapnel]

I've been thinking about a few things for club champs this year. If you're planning on attending feel free to give some feedback so I can plan an event that you enjoy!

Best General

I'm considering having this be strictly Win/Loss for best general. Tie-breaker being strength of schedule. 

Best overall

Sum of battle points, painting rubric (self score) and sportsmanship. Tiebreaker being strength of schedule. 

Best presentation

Sum of self score painting rubric, and participant votes.  If you've made it past a certain cut-off score on the rubric, AND you have a display board (I know that's part of the rubric but I think it's essential for best painted), you set up at the end and everyone gets one vote to put in which one they like best. Every vote = one point towards the final best presentation score. 

Best Sportsmanship

Each day everyone gets a slip of paper to vote for their best opponents throughout the day. Points total = sports score. 

Best Table

Having an opportunity for those who PRE-REGISTER to bring a table be part of a separate competition for a prize. Best table set up - again with participant votes. Rule would be you are unable to put ANY terrain from the shelves at Nexus on any table entered. You must create the table completely on your own. 

PRE-PAID signup

This is something I'd have to work out with Nexus with their signup. Part of the problem is I tell everyone every year you have to pay to get your spot, but then people are signing up "pay offline" and holding a spot without paying. And guess who normally drops the week of? you guessed it - someone who didn't pay to hold their spot (with a few exceptions, but generally we've found when people pay they show up!) Then we're scrambling to fill spots at the last minute, which for our biggest tourney of the year is really difficult. There is already a wait list system in place, so we have that now. Also Ali was able to fix the issue with the website where it wasn't showing who had signed up. 

Trophies

Do you still like trophies for top placing? Or is this something I keep doing that people actually don't really need/want?

[mrmanstory]

I personally like the trophies (not that I've won any lol) but it's just something interesting to show off. The pre paid sign up I'm in a weird spot with because I always do pay offline and usually pay a little after I sign up. I see how it's a pain having people drop out days before though so maybe there's so kind of middle ground? Like a "we only hold the spot for x amount of time without pay". I like all the other ideas basically.

[silverwhasp]

Here is my two cents.

Best General: I absolutely agree. Some armies have easier secondaries to score and sometimes you have a really close match that is very competitive but gets penalized because of points. W/L being the primary way of determining placements is, at least for this tournament, better.

Best Overall: Is there a way that it is not the same person as best general or best painted? Feeling like it is often the same as either best general or best painting when we could celebrate a third person.

Best table: I LOVE IT, I have terrain and would LOVE to set up a table with my stuff, gives me a reason to paint it and set it up. Will add to the table a sheet with the rules for each terrain piece.

Trophies: Yes

[raceygaming]

Going to weigh in here, I am pretty excited about this proposed break down.

Best General: I really like the W/L/D for this. Its about the general on the battle field who does the best in pure achievement of the winning objectives. I think it also goes a long way to help the Codex secondary balance. There are some armies (DG,Custodes) come to mind who can win a lot of games but often do not post wins much above the 70-75 pt mark where some other armies (Sisters, Necrons) can walk away with 90 points in a win pretty easy.


Best Overall: Same as last year and it looks good. Combined points and lets the players that want to chase down the trophy to maximise any losses in the upper rounds against some of the tough competition we have.

Best Presentation: I think this one has been really solid since we switched to a self scoring rubric that peoples can aim for, I think award wide it looks good but maybe revisit some of the rubric to clarify scores. I know there was some confusion with "bases fit seamlessly into display board" last year.

Table Award: I think these is a cool way to get some more tables/ terrain for clubs and people can be rewarded for their effort. My only Thought is the " completely on your own" - I know there are some people that like to make terrain, some who like to paint it and some that like to work on the lay out. I don't see an issue if some one uses a mix of GW, home made and pre-fab things is they are the ones altering and painting it. For example if you want to bring a titan table ( thank you Chris) maybe you would not be eligible to win but still bring it, but for example I know Jake has his old temple of doom table that is mostly GW terrain but it is still a pretty cool table that was hand assembled and painted.

I will say I do like taking home a little something for placing at the top but It doesn't have to be a Trophy. I know one time I got an Ultra Marine funko with a kill teams metal as a base, it's still on my mantle. I will also add in that I do think that there should be an exclusionary clause for the top 4 prize awards.
something like

Best overall : winner is not eligible for best general/painted as scores are scored here too.

Best General: Winner is not eligible for best painted

Best Presented: Winner is eligible for best General

Best Table: Can be won by any player as its score is not included in any of the other categories and as it will be its first year to encourage people to give it a try. In future years if it is very popular my add a best painted can't win best table as they are both hobby awards.

Either way I am excited for Clubs this year and looking to try to get my name back on that Trophy.

[Jack Shrapnel]

The painting rubric will be reviewed for certain, was already on my list as it unnaturally elevated scores for power armored armies (extra points for squad markings etc.) while unfairly preventing many xenos armies from getting the same points.

Sorry, to be clear on the Table part "completely on your own" just means no taking Nexus terrain off the shelf to make your table with! So if there was a titans table, you couldn't supplement with stuff from the Nexus shelf, but you could certainly bring other pieces of your own to supplement the table.

I've always run my tournaments that no one is able to get multiple awards. But I see best table as a completely separate entity that is separate from any other awards (feel free to get best general too!)

[ohgodsnakes]

Just coming in to say I agree with all of Shannon's original post and that I still like trophies!

In response to Jordan's post, I personally would never want to see Best Table make a person ineligible for Best Painted. I think we want to encourage people to do their best in both categories so we can increase the hobby quality of the club as a whole. Making it either/or might discourage people from putting in effort on one or the other, or downright not signing up for tables.

Shannon probably already does this, but I've seen other events have an award "hierarchy", something like this:

1. Best Overall
2. Best General
3. Best Painted
4. Best Sportsman

A person is only eligible for the HIGHEST award they qualify for. So if someone wins Best Overall with the strongest win record as well, they would win Best Overall, and the 2nd most impressive win record would win Best General. If the Best General also had the highest sports score, 2nd highest sports score would get the award.

[raceygaming]

Dec 14, 2022 10:35:57 GMT -5 ohgodsnakes said:

Just coming in to say I agree with all of Shannon's original post and that I still like trophies!

In response to Jordan's post, I personally would never want to see Best Table make a person ineligible for Best Painted. I think we want to encourage people to do their best in both categories so we can increase the hobby quality of the club as a whole. Making it either/or might discourage people from putting in effort on one or the other, or downright not signing up for tables.

Shannon probably already does this, but I've seen other events have an award "hierarchy", something like this:

1. Best Overall
2. Best General
3. Best Painted
4. Best Sportsman

A person is only eligible for the HIGHEST award they qualify for. So if someone wins Best Overall with the strongest win record as well, they would win Best Overall, and the 2nd most impressive win record would win Best General. If the Best General also had the highest sports score, 2nd highest sports score would get the award.

Ya this is just a better formulated idea of the hierarchy I tried to make. Thank you

[Jack Shrapnel]

I already do this... so seems like we're all on the same page for this part at least! lol

[sean]

Just chiming in to agree with everyone. I think Best General being Win/Loss with SoS as the tiebreaker is by far the best and most fair way to do it, especially if you have less than 32 players.

Small trophies are fun. I got a 3d printed piece of terrain, with the name of the tournament on it once, and that was really cool, and actually useful.

[Typhus]

Food for thought:
www.goonhammer.com/tournament-organization-an-explainer-on-tournament-structuring/#Goonhammer_Pairing_Placing_System

I've won a couple of trophies, and I think they're pretty cool.

Really like the idea of Best Table.

[question]

I'm in agreement with Shannon's original post. All good with me, particularly the stipulation for Best Table that you MUST provide a fully terrained table. No padding with Nexus (or other "out-sourced") pieces. And I agree the option to enter a table is great incentive to work on personal terrain pieces with a "story" to them. Revised rubric for painting is also a good idea if there is a balance issue.

[cmcd]

Best General

Love the Idea of Win / Loss.   What is Strength of Schedule?

Best overall

No issues.  other than below (Best Sportsmanship)

Best presentation

Like.

Best Sportsmanship

I cant remember how this was scored.  or how it is added to the Best overall in a numeric format.

Best Table

For the Record, the Titan Terrain was mainly brought for demo for the prize pool. I agree that there should be some sort of originality to the table that people bring and not just a opened box of pre painted terrain.  I Like this option.  Makes me want to paint some Terrain.

PRE-PAID signup

Pre paid sounds good.  But people ( I ) want to secure a spot at 2am in the morning.  Maybe have a pay offline but must pay in a week stipulation. if you don't get removed from the list.  its an idea.  

Trophies

Thumbs up.  If its not too expensive could also make Best Newcomer or something similar.  

Other Points

5 games or 6 games.  I cant remember. if we did 5 last year.  I do recall when i did do 5 for a two day tournament (not sure which one) IT was more enjoyable. 

[Jack Shrapnel]

We did five last year... and again this year for teams... I thoroughly enjoyed not being as burnt at the end of day two so we're doing that again - all two days I run will be five games.

I get the point about pre-paid... I like the compromise of "pay within X amount of time or not on list"

Another point that I want to add for presentation. If your army has won best painted in the past, it won't be considered for best painted again. This stops for example, my amazingly painted pointy hat eldar army of JUST point hat elves winning every year. And no, painting one model extra doesn't count as a new army. So for those that have won in the past (we have had like 11 of these things I cannot keep track) just recuse yourself from Best Presentation unless you bring a totally different army. Otherwise it wouldn't be very fair.

[brujonation]

I don't have much to put in other than everything put forward so far sounds great. I'm looking forward to this as it will be my first tourney ever lol, and I'm getting myself hyped, and hopefully I gets the fire lit and gets me painting a bit quicker

[Jack Shrapnel]

oh crap - sorry Chris I totally missed you had a question in there!

Strength of schedule is basically - how well did your opponents do

so if player A won 5 games but played against people who didn't do very well they would have a lower strength of schedule than player B who won 5 games and played against people who did better throughout the weekend.

So as a tie breaker, the person who played the harder opponents gets the prize over someone who played against easier opponents.

hopefully that makes sense (as it kind of came out weird but I don't know how else to say it lol)