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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Dec 10, 2012 14:50:24 GMT -5
what are your thoughts re: sanguinor Tom??? I know you ran him a couple times....
the more I think about it the more having a blob of grey knights plodding forward doesn't really seem to be helpful to the list... I like the models I've got for the knights, but they really worked more for the theme of my sisters than anything else.... adding them to the list seems to dilute it's efficiency a bit....
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Post by calitom on Dec 10, 2012 14:54:01 GMT -5
The Sanguinor was awesome in 5th edition, and while he still gives quite a few benefits to the army- the issue is that with Sanguinary guard you don't have any sergeants for him to buff.... so you'd wind up wasting one of his more potent abilities. AP 3 also really hurts the stand alone non IC characters in the codex, so overall I'd vote for Astorath over Sanguinor if you want another beefy IC (He gives RT on 1-3, is AP 2 STR 6 forces reroll invuls and is a chaplain with 2+ armor and wings himself...)
And yeah, I'd honestly suggest either missile launcher dev squads or auto/las predators to help balance out the list itself- plus it allows you to deep strike more squads if it comes to that in a game.
Edit : also super cool statue Predators? sounds sweet to me.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Dec 10, 2012 17:55:35 GMT -5
Astorath version: now to be honest I hate having just a couple of predators... my feelings about tanks are have enough for target saturation or just don't bring any... but I'm not sure if I'm just going completely in the other direction though... but the thoughts of how aggressive this list would be is kinda making me like it HQ: Dante Astorath the Grim Troops: 5 Sanguinary guard - power fist, infernus pistol, chapter banner 5 Sanguinary guard - power fist, infernus pistol 5 Sanguinary guard - power fist, infernus pistol 5 Sanguinary guard - power fist, infernus pistol 5 Sanguinary guard - power fist 5 Sanguinary guard - power fist Elite: Priest with jump pack Priest with jump pack Priest with jump pack 2,000 points... six scoring units... 35 models... 32 of which have a 2+ save.... everything jumps ;D
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Post by danydaigle24 on Dec 10, 2012 18:48:18 GMT -5
thats a cool list for sure but I have no idea how it can perform on the table will be interesting to see...
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Dec 10, 2012 21:52:49 GMT -5
well it has no ranged anti-tank to speak of beyond assault range, so it's a matter of weathering the storm for a turn til I can get close enough to do something... kind of like my assault nids, but with a better armor save, mobility and weapons loadout in exchange for becoming T4 with one wound... lol... yeah I don't think it'll work either... ...but when Tom said "make them statues"... it kind of sealed the deal for me...
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Dec 11, 2012 10:53:44 GMT -5
hmmm... could trade the two sanguinary guard units for a 10 strong death company with lemartes.... so basically dante goes with the chapter banner SG, the three priests go with the other three SG. Asorath and Lemartes lead the 10 strong death company (with infernus pistol, thunder hammer and fist is my one thought... or just run 4 power swords in them... not sure what would be deadlier / more efficient) same number of models with the addition of lemartes, whom Tom says is pretty cool so maybe it could work... and it could be a "heaven and hell" theme... could even put little horns on the death company and paint them like devils (okay maybe not)... but the balance of the statuary angels and the "evil" death company could look thematically pretty cool thoughts? ?
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Post by Frosty the Pirate on Dec 11, 2012 11:07:30 GMT -5
hmmm... could trade the two sanguinary guard units for a 10 strong death company with lemartes.... so basically dante goes with the chapter banner SG, the three priests go with the other three SG. Asorath and Lemartes lead the 10 strong death company (with infernus pistol, thunder hammer and fist is my one thought... or just run 4 power swords in them... not sure what would be deadlier / more efficient) same number of models with the addition of lemartes, whom Tom says is pretty cool so maybe it could work... and it could be a "heaven and hell" theme... could even put little horns on the death company and paint them like devils (okay maybe not)... but the balance of the statuary angels and the "evil" death company could look thematically pretty cool thoughts? ? Do this. Now. I demand it. (Please)
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Post by danydaigle24 on Dec 11, 2012 11:12:58 GMT -5
I can sell you Lamartes and DC for cheap if you want
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Dec 11, 2012 11:14:46 GMT -5
lol... just realized I'd have to drop Lemartes... death company don't come with jetpacks... that or have only a unit of 5 DC with a hammer and infernus pistol and lemartes... but dropping down to 31 models only....
thoughts on the death company? to Lemartes or not to Lemartes? I'm thinking that the jump packs are a definite.... so it's either 5 with the dude, or 10 without... they would have Astorath for punchy hitting power though.... I mean I can't drop Astorath now that I'm thinking heaven/hell theme... he looks positively evil!
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Post by danydaigle24 on Dec 11, 2012 11:21:04 GMT -5
Astrograth is my favorite in the BA codex but running Dante and Astro is kinda expensive. It depends what you want from the list but I personally would stay with Dante 4 troops of Sanguinary and support them if you want to list to work and be competitive...
EDIT: I dont have my codex since Im at work but I would run something like that
Dante
Sang Guard Banner Fist 2 Infurnus Pistol
3X Sang Guard Fist 2 Infurnus Pistol
2 Priest JP PW
Baal Flamestorm
Baal Flamestorm
Pred Las
Pred Las
Pred Las
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Post by Frosty the Pirate on Dec 11, 2012 11:30:17 GMT -5
Yeah, as cool as lemartes would be, astrorath leading them would work just as well. You don't really need both.
If your going to run double characters in BA, you NEED to take solid support, as 1/4 of your list is gone before you even buy troops! Since you'll be so prone to torrent, you need to maximize the number of bodies available.
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Post by LizardTau on Dec 11, 2012 11:35:22 GMT -5
Death company are pretty awesome with a high number of.attack plus rage and fnp they are good but lots of people know that are and can kill them. i played a unit against u once and u stuck them in combat with ur tervigon and slowly killed them so they aren't the best vs mc if the mc challenges out lamartes taking out their furious charge and rage
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Dec 11, 2012 11:56:31 GMT -5
thanks for the help guys... no tanks on the tanks though... I want to run all foot / jump!
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Post by danydaigle24 on Dec 11, 2012 12:11:12 GMT -5
Ok good luck
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Dec 11, 2012 12:52:28 GMT -5
actually Dany, your list from off the top of your head was 1930 points... so yeah, could be a competitive option in there once I get crushed a few times with me theme list... lol....
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