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Post by nsc on Sept 3, 2015 14:32:34 GMT -5
And you wonder why Slaanesh is absent in fantasy
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Post by voodoo on Dec 6, 2015 7:27:42 GMT -5
Open a salt mine for these rumours as it all seems too good to be true.
ally posted via Thunderblade231 @ Dakka Dakka: Thread removed
Saved via Incarno63, Warseer
From the notes of a friend who is close to the process and has seen the new codex. It was in a secure environment, so no pics, sorry: 179 pages, 7 New Kits judging from the photos New Chaos Lord/Sorcerer in Power Armour Plague Wardens/Corvidae Sorcerer Coven Blissriders Blood Brethren/Khorne Berzerkers New Obliterators/Mutilators New Havocs/Chosen New Units: Plague Wardens – look like plague marine terminators on centurion bases. Armed with either Heavy Bolters with Fleshbane Ammo or Heavy Flamers. CCWs are Deathsycthes (Power Axes with Two Handed and Rampage). Otherwise like Plague Marine Terminators but with two Wounds. Elites. Corvidae Sorcerer Coven – Brotherhood of Sorcerers Terminators with lots of Thousand Sons iconography. They roll on the Divination, Daemonology and Tzeentch Powers (which are a combo of witchfires and mutations), and have a Mastery Level depending on their unit size (+1 per 3 models). Also have Inferno Bolts on their Combi-Bolters plus Force Weapons. Can take Combi-Weapons. Elites. Blissriders – Noise Marines on Steeds of Slaanesh. Kinda like Thunderwolves but not as much of a rock. Very fighty with above average WS, A, and two Wounds. Armed with Power Weapons or Power Whips and Doom Sirens. Outflank and Acute Senses. Elites. Blood Brethren – Khorne Berzerker Champions with Fleshmetal and a variety of unique Power Weapons (like Chosen but with higher WS). Seems similar to Honor Guard from Space Marines. They can exchange their Bolt Pistol for a Plasma Pistol, Hand Flamer, or Inferno Pistol at cost. Elites. The Champions of Chaos rule has been reworked a bit. You still must accept/issue challenges, but the Boon Table has changed to be based on a 2D6. 2. Spawndom – pass a leadership check or become a Chaos Spawn 3. Adamantine Fists – model gains the Smash rule until the end of the players next turn 4. Fluid Strikes – model rerolls failed rolls to Hit until the end of the players next turn 5. Flurry of Blades – model gains +D3 attacks until the end of the players next turn 6. Diamond Skin – model gains +1 Toughness until the end of the players next turn 7. Unworthy Offering – Nothing 8. Daemonic Resurgence – model gains +1 Strength until the end of the players next turn 9. Rapid Regeneration – model gains Feel No Pain (4+) until end of players next turn 10. Cosmic Fate – model rerolls failed saving throws until end of players next turn 11. Viscerial Blows – model gains the Fleshbane rule until the end of the players next turn 12. Dark Apotheosis – pass a leadership check to become a Daemon Prince
Notable Codex Changes: (not comprehensive) Numerous point cost adjustments. Chaos Vindicators, Chaos Predators, and Helbrutes can be taken in units of 1-3 with similar benefits to the loyalist versions. Helbrutes have their attacks characteristic normalized with Vanilla Marines, and in full units of 3 gain the Deep Strike rule and go into a rage every turn (similar to the Mayhem Pack in the dataslate). Maulerfiends and Forgefiends can also be taken in units of 1-3 and gain +1 WS and +1 BS respectively at full size. Mutilators are now Heavy Support. Marks of Chaos are broadly the same apart from cost changes, but Mark of Tzeentch now gives a +5 Invulnerable save and three of them have the following additional benefits: *** Psykers with the Mark of Nurgle, Mark of Slaanesh, or Mark of Tzeentch may roll up to half their powers on their respective table, and manifest warp charge for powers on that table on a 3+.
Apart from the models the rules have been adjusted considerably. All Chaos Marines (Chosen, Possessed, Raptors, Havocs, Oblids, etc), Helbrutes and Daemon Princes (not Chaos Spawn and Cultists) now have the Chaos Allegiance rule. Each unit individually picks an allegiance, so unlike Chapter Tactics your army can have units with many different allegiances in the same detachment. The only restrictions are that you must have one unit of Troops with the same allegiance as your Warlord (Formations excepted) and both units lose all benefits if you join another unit without the same allegiance. *** Note: Khorne Berzerkers, Noise Marines, Plague Marines and Rubric Marines are all Troops *** *** Veterans of the Long War is now free, but exclusive to the Black Legion Allegiance *** Black Legion: [Abaddon the Despoiler is Black Legion] *** Veterans of the Long War: +1 Leadership and Hatred (Imperials). *** Vengeful Strength: Characters gain +2 Strength in close combat. Renegade Warband: [Huron Blackheart and Fabius Bile are Renegades] *** Selfish Pride: Furious Charge. Can reroll failed Morale, Fear and Pinning checks. *** Merciless Corsairs: Characters can choose to double their Attacks characteristic once per game. World Eaters: (Mark of Khorne only, Khorne Berzerkers and Blood Brethren are always World Eaters) [Kharn the Betrayer is World Eaters] *** Insane Bloodlust: Add +D3” to max charge range. Automatically pass Pinning checks. *** Fury of Khorne: Characters gain the Rampage special rule. Emperor’s Children: (Mark of Slaanesh only, Noise Marines and Blissriders are always Emperor’s Children) [Lucius the Eternal is Emperor’s Children] *** Martial Grace: Hit and Run. Fleet. *** Vicious Excess: Characters gain the Rending special rule. Death Guard: (Mark of Nurgle only, Plague Marines and Plague Wardens are always Death Guard) [Typhus is Death Guard] *** Diseased Bulk: Immune to the Poisoned special rule. Automatically pass Fear checks. *** Plague Arsenal: Flamers, Heavy Flamers, Frag Missiles and Grenades have Poisoned and Rending. *** Aura of Decay: Characters cause enemy models in base contact to suffer -1 Attack (to min of 1). Thousand Sons: (Mark of Tzeentch only, Rubric Marines and Corvidaes Covens are always Thousand Sons) [Ahriman is Thousand Sons] *** Favoured of the Deciever: You may reroll Invulnerable save results of 1. *** Infernal Armory: Heavy Bolters, Reaper Autocannons and Autocannons have Inferno Bolts. *** Sorcerous Premonitions: Characters can reroll a single to hit, to wound, saving throw or manifesting die once per game turn. Alpha Legion: *** Coils of the Hydra: Infiltrate. Alpha Legion characters may always join units of Cultists prior to deployment. *** Headhunters: Characters have Acute Senses and can bestow the Sniper rule upon a friendly Alpha Legion unit’s Bolters/Combi-Bolters if they are within 6” during the Shooting phase, provided that friendly unit hasn’t moved. Iron Warriors: *** Siegemasters: Tank Hunters. *** Shredder Bolts: Heavy Bolters, Frag Grenades and Frag Missiles have the Shred special rule. *** Iron within Iron Without: Characters gain the Feel No Pain rule. Warpsmiths have +1 to repair rolls on friendly vehicles. Night Lords: *** Murderous Talents: Reroll 1s to Wound in Close Combat. Lightning Claws have the Rending rule. *** Lords of Terror: Stealth and Fear. *** Gutter Fighters: Characters cause Instant Death on a wound roll of 6 in Close Combat. Word Bearers: *** Blessed by the Gods: Units get to roll on the Boon Table whenever they kill an enemy unit in close combat, with all models benefiting from the result (reroll Spawndom and Dark Apotheosis). In addition, psykers count as Daemons for the purposes of using Malefic Daemonology powers. *** Fanatical Devotion: Characters gain the Zealot special rule, and if they are a Dark Apostle they grant their unit +1 Attack.
Formations are, unsurprisingly, organized into a greater detachment that includes a collection of smaller ones. Black Crusade Detachment: (1+ Core, 1-10 Auxiliary, 0-3 Exalted Champions) *** Lord of the Black Crusade: Your Warlord can roll for a second warlord trait, rerolling any duplicates. *** Dark Ascension: Characters in this detachment make a free roll on the Boon table at the start of the game, rerolling any results of Spawndom or Dark Apotheosis. The result of this roll applies for the rest of the game. Chaos Marine Warband [Core – must all have same Chaos Allegiance]: 1 Chaos Lord, Chaos Sorcerer or Daemon Prince, 3-10 Chaos Marines, 0-2 Helbrutes, 2-5 Raptors, Chaos Bikers or Havocs. *** Stubborn. *** Idols of the Gods: Units that are taken at maximum squad size can take an Icon of Chaos for free. *** Malefic Barrage: Once per game, each unit in this detachment can fire their ranged weapons twice. Exalted Champions: 1 Abaddon the Despoiler, Kharn, Lucius, Typhus, Ahriman, Huron Blackheart, Fabius Bile, Chaos Lord, Chaos Sorcerer or Daemon Prince. Dark Warpcult [Core]: 1 Dark Apostle, 3-10 Chaos Cultists, 0-2 Chaos Spawns. *** True Believers: Cultists in this formation are Fearless so long as the Dark Apostle is alive. *** Mutated Beyond Recognition: Chaos Spawns may reroll their random Mutation and Attack rolls. Khornate Butcherhorde [Core]: 1 Chaos Lord (World Eaters) or Kharn, 2-8 Khorne Berzerkers, 1-4 Khorne Blood Brethren. *** Hammer of Wraith. *** All Out Assault: Units in this formation can declare a charge after disembarking from a non-Assault vehicle, but must take a dangerous terrain check if they choose to do so. *** Reckless Rampage: Units in this formation count their +D3” to charge range as +3” instead. Plaguehost of the Reaper [Core]: 1 Chaos Lord (Death Guard) or Typhus, 2-7 Plague Marines, 1-3 Plague Wardens. *** Noxious Cloud: Enemy models within 6” of a unit in this formation suffer -1 WS and -1 BS unless they are a Daemon of Nurgle or have a Mark of Nurgle. *** Lethal Toxins: Poisoned Weapons wielded by models in this formation are Poisoned (3+). Symphony of Depravity [Core]: 1 Chaos Lord (Emperor’s Children) or Lucius, 2-6 Noise Marines, 1-3 Blissriders. *** Move Through Cover. *** Orchestra of Death: Units in this formation can overcharge their Sonic Weapons during their Shooting Phase, firing 1 additional shot from their Sonic Blasters, Doom Sirens, and Blastmasters. Any sonic weapons fired in this way gain the Get’s Hot! special rule. *** Combat Drugs: Units in this formation reroll failed to Hit rolls on a turn they charge into combat. Brotherhood of Dust [Core]: 1 Chaos Sorcerer (Thousand Sons) or Ahriman, 2-9 Rubric Marines, 1-4 Corvidae Sorcerer Covens. *** Warpfire Inferno: Inferno Bolts fired by models in this formation gain the Ignores Cover special rule. *** Locus of Power: Psykers in this formation can reroll failed attempts to manifest Warp Charge. Firstborn Champions of Chaos [Auxiliary – must all have same Chaos Allegiance]: 1-3 Chaos Chosen, 1-3 Chaos Terminators. *** Fearless *** Millennia of War: Chose a codex before deployment and inform your opponent of your choice. Units in this formation have the Preferred Enemy rule against that codex. *** Slay the Mighty: Monster Hunters. Characters in this formation reroll failed to Hit rolls in challenges. Daemonkin Warpack [Auxiliary – must all have same Chaos Allegiance]: 2-6 Possessed Marines, Warp Talons, or Mutilators. *** Apex Predators: Units in this formation have Weapon Skill 5. Possessed Marines may reroll their Mutation table results. *** From Beyond the Veil: Warp Talons and Mutilators in this formation may assault on the turn they arrive from Deep Strike. Cult of Ruination [Auxiliary – must all have same Chaos Allegiance]: 1 Warpsmith, 2-6 Defiler, Forgefiends, Maulerfiends or Helbrutes, 0-2 Heldrake, 0-2 Obliderators. *** Dark Sustenance: Units in this formation gain the It Will Not Die special rule. Units that already have this rule will instead pass their rolls on a (4+) *** Biomechanical Guidance: One Unit from this formation within 12” of the Warpsmith can choose to use his WS and BS characteristics at the beginning of the owning player’s turn, lasting until the start of that player’s next game turn. Decimator Armoured Spearhead [Auxiliary]: 2-3 Chaos Predators or Chaos Vindicators, 0-2 Chaos Land Raider *** Infernal Spirits: Units in this formation gain the Power of the Machine Spirit special rule while within 6” of another unit from this formation. *** Mutated Hulls: Units in this formation have Extra Armour for free
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Dec 6, 2015 7:57:01 GMT -5
from Faeit:
"THIS IS FAKE. He was trolling. Threads got nuked. - Brometheus (Dakka)/Archaeinox (B&C)"
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Post by voodoo on Dec 6, 2015 8:13:30 GMT -5
It seemed like too much of a fandex... Should have known.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Dec 6, 2015 9:12:02 GMT -5
It seemed like too much of a fandex... Should have known. you can still dream at least
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CSM Rumor
Dec 6, 2015 12:16:11 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by voodoo on Dec 6, 2015 12:16:11 GMT -5
I'm hoping that if nothing else, this will let gw know how much people are clamoring for a new csm codex
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Post by thesanityassassin on Dec 6, 2015 19:43:30 GMT -5
I knew it was too good to be true, but it was honestly such a good looking build. The "immune to poison" on the Nurgle stuff really tipped me off though - as bad as GW is with rules anymore, there's no way they'd make a core troop unit completely immune to all Dark Eldar anti-infantry weapons.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Dec 6, 2015 19:54:12 GMT -5
well the more core than auxillary formations was a bit of a tip off too (and NOTHING bad in the list... silly CSM... you're not a Xenos!)
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Post by calitom on Dec 6, 2015 20:23:19 GMT -5
Man, was getting pumped reading all that. Nightlords would have been sweet, damn trolls. Nightlord Warp Talons would have been SWEET.
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Post by voodoo on Dec 7, 2015 13:45:50 GMT -5
Well, doesn’t look promising for a new codex but there’s a new Sorcerer on a disc showing up this weekend apparently.
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Post by thesanityassassin on Dec 7, 2015 14:48:09 GMT -5
Wow, that guy is so so creepy and cool. Sadly looks WAY more Fantasy Mortal than CSM, but the basic aesthetic is super cool. Reminds me of the Pan's Labyrinth guy.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Dec 7, 2015 15:04:12 GMT -5
yup... he's getting rules for fantasy... put up a link over in the AOS rumours
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Post by voodoo on Dec 11, 2015 12:28:50 GMT -5
One accurate rumormonger talks the Ruinous Powers products that are coming in 2016.
via DakkaDakka’s SadPanda
Here is his reply to an assertion that there would be no Chaos Marine codex in 2016:
“If you think of a full new CSM Codex 7th Ed. with a full overhaul of rules and/or models, you’re probably right.
If you mean absolutely nothing for Chaos Marines, you’ll be wrong.
It is true that 2016 will have (among other things) a (mostly AoS) Tzeentch-theme running through it, similar to how 2015 had Khorne.
The reason there likely won’t be a Tzeentch Daemonkin, is because GW is doing possible cross-overs a bit more deliberately than the written-over-a-weekend KDK.
That said, just about the only thing in a fairly impressive pipeline of (mostly AoS) Tzeentch that is NOT ready or even sculpted yet, is the LoC. If he comes, he’ll be the tail end, possibly as late as 2017, not the kick-off to Tzeentch the way the Bloodthirster was for Khorne. “
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Post by Khalai on Dec 11, 2015 12:55:07 GMT -5
Basically, no codex, but here's some Tzeentch themed CSM/Daemon stuff. I don't think anyone will be surprised with that.
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Post by voodoo on Dec 11, 2015 13:25:09 GMT -5
Yep, looks like another year of GW casually ignoring CSM. If they took some of the ideas from that fake-me-out troll post and put it into a codex (aka returning the traitor LEGIONS) they’d literally print money as chaos players have been dealing with the watered down “warbands” BS since 3.5; and lets face it, we know there’s still legions, Abaddon makes horrible use of them from time to time.
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