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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jan 20, 2017 11:14:24 GMT -5
RE: Alpha Legion
I like our interpretation better... I think I'm going with that...
...oh what's that GW? you're the boss of me?
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Post by ohgodsnakes on Jan 20, 2017 11:16:45 GMT -5
Take a look at the Imperial Knight firing arc. New tactic! Hide in its blind spot! Just like the mighty Tyrannosaurus Rex, or their more dangerous cousin the Canadian Goose, an Imperial Knight is blind to anything directly in front of it!
It looks like there is a straight line the width of the Knights carapace that is completely safe from weapons fire. This line extends infinitely in front of it, as the firing arcs are parallel to one another at a 90* angle in their mounts.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jan 20, 2017 11:21:28 GMT -5
Since we’ve thrown out the “You can use either set of rules” from the Inquisition FAQ can we also toss the below mind-bogglingly stupid ruling? Q: How does Supporting Fire work if the unit has a flamer which is out of range? A: As long as a unit is eligible to fire Supporting Fire and is equipped with one or more flamers, they can use them as if they were also being charged. Tau have infinite range flamers so long as they can supporting fire? Damn GW, damn… well to be fair they've always got to use their flamers...
it's a flamer... the least powerful weapon they have.
be thankful they've been silly enough to equip those instead of their good guns.
and they only get to supporting fire within range of the unit you're charging... which is likely (unless you're really dumb and trying a 12" charge against a tau castle!) to be in range of a flamer or nearly so anyways.
not really seeing the problem here.... or how often that will actually come up.... a suit maybe?
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jan 20, 2017 11:22:20 GMT -5
Take a look at the Imperial Knight firing arc. New tactic! Hide in its blind spot! Just like the mighty Tyrannosaurus Rex, or their more dangerous cousin the Canadian Goose, an Imperial Knight is blind to anything directly in front of it! It looks like there is a straight line the width of the Knights carapace that is completely safe from weapons fire. This line extends infinitely in front of it, as the firing arcs are parallel to one another at a 90* angle in their mounts. oh man... that's so dumb....
from now on I'm totally referring to knights as geese...
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Post by voodoo on Jan 20, 2017 11:22:33 GMT -5
I agree, knights just got hit hard with a beatstick. That firing arc basically makes their ability to fire overwatch a moot point. As you just have to choose your side to charge.
Maybe make the addendum to that so they can actually shoot both of their weapons at a single unit? AKA, 180 degree forward firing arc? Maybe? Possibly?
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Post by voodoo on Jan 20, 2017 11:25:20 GMT -5
Since we’ve thrown out the “You can use either set of rules” from the Inquisition FAQ can we also toss the below mind-bogglingly stupid ruling? Q: How does Supporting Fire work if the unit has a flamer which is out of range? A: As long as a unit is eligible to fire Supporting Fire and is equipped with one or more flamers, they can use them as if they were also being charged. Tau have infinite range flamers so long as they can supporting fire? Damn GW, damn… well to be fair they've always got to use their flamers...
it's a flamer... the least powerful weapon they have.
be thankful they've been silly enough to equip those instead of their good guns.
and they only get to supporting fire within range of the unit you're charging... which is likely (unless you're really dumb and trying a 12" charge against a tau castle!) to be in range of a flamer or nearly so anyways.
not really seeing the problem here.... or how often that will actually come up.... a suit maybe?
Tau formations can extend the supporting fire range. The single flamer crisis suits could be 12” away from the unit being charged and use their 8” long teardrop flamers on the unit charging. That’s my problem with it as if I charged any unit with a flamer before I’d eat wall of fire. That’s a given. It’s the ability to spread the supporting fire range AND still fire a flamer. |
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jan 20, 2017 11:29:34 GMT -5
no, they can't use their 8" long teardrop flamers on the unit charging... they get d3 hits as per wall of death.
again... not scary
oh and per your post above... knights cannot fire overwatch anyways....
I'm gonna say that knights work like we all know they should. Use some common sense. they can shoot their weapons.
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Post by ohgodsnakes on Jan 20, 2017 11:30:15 GMT -5
At the moment, it looks like it's very difficult to fire both weapons at the same squad, unless that squad is spread out a decent amount. Even then, a section in the middle is untouchable except for blasts. Duuuuuummmbbbbbbbb. Someone tell Relic that their special ability for that 90* Gatling attack is apparently impossible. www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCYWA5i-PvUAlso, tell them that Titanfall did that style of orbital deployment first and better  |
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jan 20, 2017 11:35:18 GMT -5
At the moment, it looks like it's very difficult to fire both weapons at the same squad, unless that squad is spread out a decent amount. Even then, a section in the middle is untouchable except for blasts. Duuuuuummmbbbbbbbb. Someone tell Relic that their special ability for that 90* Gatling attack is apparently impossible. www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCYWA5i-PvUAlso, tell them that Titanfall did that style of orbital deployment first and better yes, the knight thing is dumb... let's all pretend we didn't see it k? Kind of like the dungeons and dragons movie... it didn't happen if none of us admit it... |
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Post by voodoo on Jan 20, 2017 11:36:50 GMT -5
oh and per your post above... knights cannot fire overwatch anyways.... Incorrect: Baronial Court: 3-5 knights Knightly Vassals rule allows the Baron and any member of the formation within 12” of him to fire overwatch though they are super-heavy walkers. Also gives them counter-attack. |
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jan 20, 2017 11:43:28 GMT -5
I stand corrected... that specific formation can overwatch...
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Post by thesanityassassin on Jan 20, 2017 11:43:40 GMT -5
Gotta say, I was hoping to see the end of damn servo skulls in every list shutting down basically everything.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jan 20, 2017 11:47:02 GMT -5
Gotta say, I was hoping to see the end of damn servo skulls in every list shutting down basically everything. Anyone trying to use the old book to take advantage of this FAQ loophole needs to be prepared to prove to me that they own a legal copy of the actual codex from GW... not a PDF/downloaded copy/battlescribe print out.... because that is what is specified in the FAQ.
also they wouldn't be able to use anything else from Imperial Agents... because it says you can use it over the imperial agents book... not that you can use both.
rules lawyering works both ways.
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Post by ohgodsnakes on Jan 20, 2017 11:56:55 GMT -5
On a positive note:
Q: Do Canoptek Wraiths and C’tan suffer the Initiative penalty
when charging through terrain, despite their special rules which
allow them to treat other models and terrain as if they were open
ground when moving?
A: No.
Q: Do the Wraithflight and Immune to Natural Law rules work
only in the movement phase or do they work during any kind of
movement, such as Run, charge and Consolidation moves?
A: The Wraithflight and Immune to Natural Law rules
take effect any time the model moves in any phase.
GW giveth, and GW taketh away. In this case, the reverse of course.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jan 20, 2017 12:26:13 GMT -5
well that's good... I mean it actually fits with some common sense at least...
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