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Post by Jack Shrapnel on May 30, 2018 17:08:18 GMT -5
Typhus seems like a lord of contagion then.
here's the thing - ALL special characters count as SOMETHING...
Kairos fateweaver is a lord of change Tigirius and Mephiston are librarians Swarmlord is a hive tyrant Abbadon is a chaos lord Urien is a Haemonculous
one of the fun factor questions is very likely to be "my opponent's list was in the spirit of highlander" so if you try to be very vague in the open to interpretation thing when you build your list, your opponent will be the judge and score accordingly
I'll likely only be intervening in a list only if it's clearly way outside of the bounds of highlander, or your opponents are complaining about it. But your opponent WILL be scoring this aspect of your list.
Cypher and the fallen follow the FAQ, so yes they are their own faction. as are assassins
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Post by cmcd on May 30, 2018 21:26:33 GMT -5
Typhus seems to be a nurgle chaos lord and a lord of contagion ALSO seems to be a nurgle chaos lord equivalent feel free to make a case for some other interpretation if you feel this is off base The Keywords for Typhus state that he is a Lord of Contagion. I recommend checking the Keywords on your (everyones) data sheet if there is a confusion of who is what.
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Post by matthewbri on Jun 2, 2018 18:17:21 GMT -5
If i wanted to run knights, could i use the old rule for All or one? I.e. All knights or no knights? With the new codex coming out soon, i really want to play my favorite army...
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Post by raceygaming on Jun 3, 2018 7:06:44 GMT -5
If i wanted to run knights, could i use the old rule for All or one? I.e. All knights or no knights? With the new codex coming out soon, i really want to play my favorite army... I mean I think you could get pretty close with 1x baby knight, 1 knight, 1 dominus class. They all have a different enough chassiss Id think they are unique...then splash in some guard? Not quite "pure" but not too bad. Not sure where the FW knight landed in terms of different/similar chassis. but that might get you up to 3 knight and a baby knight, not sure how close to 2000 that is but might be something.
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Post by matthewbri on Jun 4, 2018 11:48:37 GMT -5
If i wanted to run knights, could i use the old rule for All or one? I.e. All knights or no knights? With the new codex coming out soon, i really want to play my favorite army... I mean I think you could get pretty close with 1x baby knight, 1 knight, 1 dominus class. They all have a different enough chassiss Id think they are unique...then splash in some guard? Not quite "pure" but not too bad. Not sure where the FW knight landed in terms of different/similar chassis. but that might get you up to 3 knight and a baby knight, not sure how close to 2000 that is but might be something. Except i'm only allowed to bring one LoW. Lords of war are permitted, however fall under a 0-1 limit ( there can be only one!)
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Post by voodoo on Jun 4, 2018 12:16:27 GMT -5
Yep, you and everyone else Matt. This came up the last time there was a highlander tournament only it's more convoluted now because there's primarchs.
That said, if a helbrute = contemptor = leviathan = deredeo in the "dreadnought" category then armiger = dominus = Cerastus = Questoris Knight. It sucks for the guys who like dreads and it also sucks for knights.
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Post by raceygaming on Jun 4, 2018 12:28:14 GMT -5
I would cast my vote for the knight exception on a pure knight list(ei more than 1 LOW then no allies). So you get
1 knighlet 1 basic 1 FW 1Dominus
and thats it. I am no expert in knight points but id assume something like
1 knightlet is 180 1 basic is 415-470 ish 1 FW is 500-550 ish 1 Dominus is 600 ish
So thats 1750 worth of stuff about? If some one wants to run 250 pts down in a 2000 pt tournament to build a theme list that tries to stay in the bounds of the " highlander spirit" I say go for it.
I dont really see this being too awefully different then the ruling for mono demons, in the sense that rather than forcing a demon player to have to bring 1 unit of all 5? troops you can double/triple up on your gods troops for a theme reason.
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Post by thesanityassassin on Jun 4, 2018 13:16:09 GMT -5
I wanna see what a list would actually look like/see it on the table before I give a full opinion, but I do hate the idea of just fully not allowing an army.
I also don't want to tax them so to speak by saying "you can use this but you're stuck playing 300 points down", but there is admittedly a *huge* difference between 4 Knights and 4 Knights with a Guard battalion adding 5 CP and sitting on objectives for you.
My concern would be that the format restrictions will make it hard for some armies to have anywhere near enough anti-large firepower to handle them.
At the same time most of the Highlander lists I've seen arent exactly Secret Santa level, big models feel like they're going to be common, and are they really scarier than something like 6 Custodes Bikers and a Shield Captain hitting you turn 1?
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Post by raceygaming on Jun 4, 2018 21:25:03 GMT -5
I wanna see what a list would actually look like/see it on the table before I give a full opinion, but I do hate the idea of just fully not allowing an army. I also don't want to tax them so to speak by saying "you can use this but you're stuck playing 300 points down", but there is admittedly a *huge* difference between 4 Knights and 4 Knights with a Guard battalion adding 5 CP and sitting on objectives for you. My concern would be that the format restrictions will make it hard for some armies to have anywhere near enough anti-large firepower to handle them. At the same time most of the Highlander lists I've seen arent exactly Secret Santa level, big models feel like they're going to be common, and are they really scarier than something like 6 Custodes Bikers and a Shield Captain hitting you turn 1? There are a LOT of things scarier than 3 knights and a knightlet at 2000 pts!
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Post by trantos01 on Jun 4, 2018 22:33:52 GMT -5
There are a LOT of things scarier than 3 knights and a knightlet at 2000 pts! Such as? Well other then a Custodes list made up of bikes anyway.
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Post by raceygaming on Jun 5, 2018 13:18:44 GMT -5
There are a LOT of things scarier than 3 knights and a knightlet at 2000 pts! Such as? Well other then a Custodes list made up of bikes anyway. Well how about a full 2000 pt army? Using only a knighlet, dominus, FW and basic you are getting to about 1700-1750 pts MAX. so that's alone is a pretty huge deal but skipping over that fact any of the follow would be more rough. Deathguard with Morty, Prince, blight drone, blight hauler, troop fill, plasma terminators alpha legion With just a 1 of everything and 80 cultists Custodes bike star, shield captain, min troop for patrol and then guard allies Bokan tau with the tiger shark, FW riptide, coldstar, non repeating drone spam and a bunch of fire warriors Anything harlie's with 36 troops running around, bike star and eldar allies to fill Dark angles Plasma spam with black knights, helblasters, dark talon, talon master, dark shourd, troop fill I mean even with the orks I'm looking at minor modification to a possible list and I think the knights would be pretty close to tabled turn 4. The knight list has 76 T8 wounds and 12 T7 wounds for 84 3+ save wounds for the WHOLE LIST. 90 wounds is my troop choice for orks. Not to discourage you but you did ask what is scarier.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jun 5, 2018 13:57:39 GMT -5
Knights aren't even out yet, so we actually don't know all the point costs with upgrades etc. We also only know rumours and the little tidbits that GW has provided. So we actually don't know if they would be ANY points down, or not be able to bring a bunch of crazy stuff just like everyone else.
If knights should be an exception, then there should be a reason why. And no, "but I really like them" is not a reason for any exception to tourney rules or why they shouldn't abide by the same restrictions of everyone else. Knights aren't banned or anything, and if you really like knights, bring one. Bring whichever one you want in fact.
In a Highlander format you just can't bring as many of whatever you want... no one can. I might really like hellblasters, and love them since the very first moment I held one. So I can bring a unit of hellblasters since I love them so much. But I can't bring three, or even a spearhead of six units. I get to bring ONE because it's Highlander.
If you really don't like Highlander, that's totally fine. Not everyone loves club champs, or the team tourney, or santa, or crusade (wait... no everyone loves crusade... scratch that last one)
There are limits in EVERY tourney which go with the theme of the tourney. you weren't allowed to bring ANY knights at crusade for example, yet people still managed to have a good time. Now you're free to bring ANY knight you want! And for Teams you can bring ALL knights if you want... and for clubs you can bring ALL knights if you want... so 3/5 tournies knights are A-OK... just like all the Primarchs, forge world, and whatever else you can think of.
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Post by matthewbri on Jun 5, 2018 19:17:19 GMT -5
Knights aren't even out yet, so we actually don't know all the point costs with upgrades etc. We also only know rumours and the little tidbits that GW has provided. So we actually don't know if they would be ANY points down, or not be able to bring a bunch of crazy stuff just like everyone else. If knights should be an exception, then there should be a reason why. And no, "but I really like them" is not a reason for any exception to tourney rules or why they shouldn't abide by the same restrictions of everyone else. Knights aren't banned or anything, and if you really like knights, bring one. Bring whichever one you want in fact. In a Highlander format you just can't bring as many of whatever you want... no one can. I might really like hellblasters, and love them since the very first moment I held one. So I can bring a unit of hellblasters since I love them so much. But I can't bring three, or even a spearhead of six units. I get to bring ONE because it's Highlander. If you really don't like Highlander, that's totally fine. Not everyone loves club champs, or the team tourney, or santa, or crusade (wait... no everyone loves crusade... scratch that last one) There are limits in EVERY tourney which go with the theme of the tourney. you weren't allowed to bring ANY knights at crusade for example, yet people still managed to have a good time. Now you're free to bring ANY knight you want! And for Teams you can bring ALL knights if you want... and for clubs you can bring ALL knights if you want... so 3/5 tournies knights are A-OK... just like all the Primarchs, forge world, and whatever else you can think of. You can find the points in reviews online. I will respect this judgement and abide by it, disappointing though it may be that the tournament effectively forces you to bring a knights soup list, instead of a mono-knights. I will no longer bring this up for discussion and will let the judgement stand, for the sake of everyone's sanity.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jun 5, 2018 21:26:07 GMT -5
ah, well I didn't realize all the points were out, haven't really been following knight leaks at all.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jun 6, 2018 11:23:45 GMT -5
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