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Post by coymastermikhail on May 28, 2020 7:37:46 GMT -5
Based on Chapter Master Valrak latest video it seems I misunderstood what GW was talking about in regards to flanking. Apparently in 9th we will be universally able to pay CP to out-flank/deep strike (though I suspect it'll just be out-flanking to preserve balance)units without said special rule. Granted the CP cost will most likely scale with the number of models in a unit/type of unit you're out-flanking with. The example given was Black Templar sword brethren. So Guard players should be able to pull a Creed with an out-flanking Bane-blade. They just need to fork over a good chunk of their CP to do it. Point to note, Guard could always do that if you play as Tallarn (like I did club champs 2018). Limit is only one vehicle unit for the three out flanking units (I.e. no 9 russes in your backfield) |
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jun 1, 2020 12:30:44 GMT -5
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Post by trantos01 on Jun 1, 2020 17:29:50 GMT -5
Now I'm really interested in testing out the Crusade system. Because previously while I liked the idea of narrative missions, the mechanics always felt too clunky and disjointed.
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Post by LizardTau on Jun 3, 2020 10:37:24 GMT -5
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Post by StepwisePilot on Jun 3, 2020 10:44:16 GMT -5
So, if there is a "Global Points Reset' as they put it, does that mean that 9th will drop with a new Chapter Approved right away, so that people can know these new points?
I have nothing against the higher point values. Then again, I come from Age of Sigmar, which also tends to have higher points costs, so I'm used to it. For example, I don't know the 40K cost, but for my AoS orc (Ironjawz) army, I have something like 5 ardboys for 90 points, 5 brutes for 140 points, etc.
Either way, as someone starting a new army for 9th edition, this pleases me, as hopefully I'll have to buy less to get to 2000 points.
As for the command points, it seems to be 3 for every 500 points. I like that it's on even footing. Hopefully this will also mean that restrictions of how to build the army are eased a bit, so no need for 2 HQ and 3 troops for example to fill a battalion.
EDIT: Just looked it up on battlescribe. Seems that in 40k the basic ork troop of boyz is 70 points for 10 models, with no upgrades. So, less points and twice as many models, hahaha. Then again, maybe Bonesplitterz orcs would be a better comparison than Ironjawz, as they have lower points and bigger squads.
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Post by StepwisePilot on Jun 3, 2020 11:00:50 GMT -5
After reading it some more, I like what they are doing with missions. The idea of the secondary objectives is cool, and may help someone like me that can't build an effective army list to save their life, hahaha. I want more info on this action thing though. I'm sure it'll be covered in the rules, but if a models/unit takes an action, like the siphon action shown in the example mission, can they still shoot afterwards? It says at the end of the movement phase, and if they are still that at your next command phase you get the points.
Eh, I'm sure the rules will state if can can still shoot or not. Although if I had to guess, they likely can't charge or melee, as that would move them from the action area. Could be wrong though.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jun 3, 2020 11:12:13 GMT -5
upping everything's points? ummm okay... I guess I won't buy that third invictor warsuit, the last thing left to buy and paint for my salamanders... thanks GW... you just cost yourself money. Universally... across every army. Good business sense there.
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Post by cmcd on Jun 3, 2020 12:55:01 GMT -5
If they up the points then just play larger games... be interested to see what 2000point list from clubs will be in this new edition.
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Post by LizardTau on Jun 3, 2020 13:59:02 GMT -5
well i for one hope the game is good. yes increasing points doesnt make as much sense business stand point. Except if they want to make a good rule set to sell more models that way.
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Post by macstern on Jun 3, 2020 15:13:19 GMT -5
upping everything's points? ummm okay... I guess I won't buy that third invictor warsuit, the last thing left to buy and paint for my salamanders... thanks GW... you just cost yourself money. Universally... across every army. Good business sense there. They did just up the price of models across the board. Also it may actually have people buying into more armies. Not everyone is like you shannon, "Got to catch them all!" I mean test them all.... |
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jun 3, 2020 16:34:25 GMT -5
lol... true enough... but if someone is starting the game from scratch they now have to buy less models. Good for us. Bad for GW profits. Which is what is confusing to me. Normally the only thing we can count on is that they want to make money (being a business and all)
Do I like having to spend less? yup. What will I buy less of? troops... you know those things you don't need to unlock CP anymore that you have to buy multiple boxes of that are just as expensive as everything else but less cool?
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Post by redshirt2375 on Jun 3, 2020 16:43:10 GMT -5
My personal take was it's similar to what they did going from WFB to AoS; up the points to lower the entry level requirements to play (because most of us remember the crazy cost to start a new army by the time 8th was around then)
They are also raising prices of a lot of kits to go along with this to off set their costs
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Post by macstern on Jun 3, 2020 17:43:47 GMT -5
lol... true enough... but if someone is starting the game from scratch they now have to buy less models. Good for us. Bad for GW profits. Which is what is confusing to me. Normally the only thing we can count on is that they want to make money (being a business and all) Do I like having to spend less? yup. What will I buy less of? troops... you know those things you don't need to unlock CP anymore that you have to buy multiple boxes of that are just as expensive as everything else but less cool? I may have missed something but do we know for sure that there will not be requirements to fill out each pts lvl? |
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Post by LizardTau on Jun 3, 2020 17:56:48 GMT -5
They have only said more detachments wont get you more command points. So there will be less of focus on troops since you wont need to take more to get more cp.
But they have not actually said what makes you battle forged yet
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Post by Khalai on Jun 3, 2020 19:31:52 GMT -5
They did seem to strongly imply taking detachments outside of the main force would cost CP as well.
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