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Post by LizardTau on Jan 8, 2022 21:06:27 GMT -5
ya i think the gsc will be a very fun army to play. seems like they will be very nuanced
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jan 10, 2022 12:24:40 GMT -5
So after reading lots of codex scans, youtube reviews, goonhammer review, Tyranid hive information and doing a lot of thinking, I truly am relieved and happy about this codex. It really seems like GW got the rules right. Lots of tricks, doesn't seem oppressive, just chock full of options and flavour. I'm not seeing alot of "do this only" monobuild stuff (as the former codex kind of ended up being) and I'm truly seeing everything being at least useful in some lists.
Also see myself doing different lists with different cults (not just the same basic list with a cult add on, which gives a nice different feel to the armies)
I'm also looking forward to using actual genestealers in a genestealer cult army... which seems like it should have been a thing all this time but it decidedly was NOT viable in any way until now!
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Post by raceygaming on Jan 10, 2022 12:58:59 GMT -5
I will say that I think rust claw (spelling) seems like it has one of the craziest abilities. The fact that they are -1 AP from an attack rather than ignore AP -1 is huge. getting a bunch of the AP -2 weapons down to AP -1 is big and really useful for things like the 3+ transports.
I do really wish more of the AP stuff was like this rather than just ignore this certain AP.
Also I think the cat is out of the bag for the Custode Shield hosts with the dread host and solar watch being the two most tuned Hosts that are going to make up 90% of all the armies you will see. The fact that orks Evil suns lost +1 to charge and then they give a custode the +1 to advance and charge, re-roll charge strat, fall back and charge strat and advance and charge warlord trait and relic. They really overloaded the mobility of solar watch.
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Post by Frosty the Pirate on Jan 10, 2022 15:37:11 GMT -5
I think it was Adrienne on the TTT stream that was remarking during one of their Custodes games that Solar Watch was gunna be the shizzle in the new dex. Not surprised that turned out to be on the ball (given TTT are both playtesters and competitive oriented players)
I'm also extremely happy with the GSC dex msyelf, I haven't quite settled on my first-list yet (aiming for 1000/Incursion to start), but I've grabbed a few ideas from various locations and I'm starting to understand what makes things tick from all the reviews, and there's definitely no consensus on a "best subfaction" by anyone anything like that at this point.
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Post by cmcd on Jan 13, 2022 8:24:59 GMT -5
Just got the Genestealers Cults Codex in the mail today. If you have any questions feel free to ask. It's the first time it has ever showed up early for me. Hm.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jan 13, 2022 9:19:18 GMT -5
wow! that was fast!
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Post by lightcavalier on Jan 13, 2022 9:23:47 GMT -5
Had an interesting read of their half year report. They took really quick action during the pandemic and actually bought up more warehouse space in North America so that they could better pre-position new releases and avoid potential future shipping disruptions. I expect the release schedule to go more smoothly this year because of it |
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Post by cmcd on Jan 13, 2022 10:57:07 GMT -5
Had an interesting read of their half year report. They took really quick action during the pandemic and actually bought up more warehouse space in North America so that they could better pre-position new releases and avoid potential future shipping disruptions. I expect the release schedule to go more smoothly this year because of it I dont know. The last codex I bought. Black Templars took 55 days after release to show up. It arrived last week. so. I guess the GSC is payback for that. |
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Post by cmcd on Jan 13, 2022 19:31:07 GMT -5
The strats are what they say. No 3 point strats and the majority of them are all 1CP. Its kinda nice for a change. Ill write up a thing after dinner. They way they make custom Cults is being able to select from a bunch which have a cost. You can spend 4 points. Some are 1, 2, 3, or 4. So you could have 4 at 1, or 1 and a 3 ect.
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Post by cmcd on Jan 14, 2022 8:49:32 GMT -5
The first thing that I noticed from the book is the first rule. Gene-sect: - You can include a maximum of one of each GENSTEALER CULTS CHARACTER model in this Detachment. - For each GENESTEALER CULTS model with the HQ battlefield role that takes up a Battlefield Role slot in this Detachment one other GENESTEALER CULTS CHARACTER model can be included in this Detachment without taking up a Battlefield role slot.
There are a lot of single Characters in the Elites.
It also has a similar rule to all the other codex's saying who is your warlord. ie. if you contain a PATRIARCH they MUST be your warlord. If you do not contain a PATRIARCH but contain a PRIMUS ect...
All the Cults are good. I keep finding my self not sure which one I would use. There isn't a single one way to build GSC. Its Great. The Twisted Helix Cult is kinda nice. +1 Str and Movement for all units, and 1-2 on the wound always fails.
25 1 CP strats, 2 1CP/2CP Strats depends on the size of the unit its used on, 5 2 CP strats. Each Cult has their own Strat as well and they range from 0 CP - 1CP/2CP. My favorite Fluff Strat is Reckless Demolitions. Essentially allows you to use a grenade weapon in the Fight phase. 2+ always hits, and on a 1 you loose a model from your unit.
Proficient planning is neat. I can totally see using all of these from time to time. Nothing allows you to Charge Closer than normal. But there are items to allow you to bring Strategic Reserves on turn 1. or Destroy Area terrain in your opponents deployment area. Removing cover and making it difficult terrain. after deployment... Totally using that. 20points.
Warlord Traits are good. some fun ones like making all PURESTRAIN GENESTEALERS able to heroic intervene within 6" of your Warlord is fun. Also. Totally thinking of making a Pure Genestealer list. There are some great combos in the book. Also Genestealers are 4++ can remember if that was the same before.
Brood mind discipline for psyers is alright. Powers range from 5 - 7 Warp Charge.
11 Relics not including Cult Specific. Pretty standard. the odd weapon, the odd bonus to ranges, ect.
CHAPTER APPROVED RULES. 2 good secondaries and 1.. meh. IMO. There is a strat that allows you to keep one of your Secondaires secret until you start scoring victory points which is fun. The two good secondaries IMO both have multiple score 1 VP if you do this. Up to a max of 4 or 3 a turn.
Units can come up from the underground if they have the Conceal power, and they arrive within 8" of an enemy unit. vice 9" Or they can come up within 6" but can not charge. They can also use Command abilities when they come up in the movement phase.
Summon the Cult Rule which is mainly found on Troops (anyone with a banner) can bring back dead models, which can be useful.
I like this codex. Looking forward to painting up some GSC. Havent said that in a while.
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Post by raceygaming on Jan 14, 2022 9:06:46 GMT -5
Nice overview Chris. I think the one cult is is -1 from AP seems pretty cool.
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Post by cmcd on Jan 14, 2022 10:26:29 GMT -5
Yeah THe Rusted Claw : Each time an attack is allocated to a model with this creed, if the attack ha an AP -1 or -2 it is treated as either 0 or -1 respectively. Also all units are consider to hav emained stationary if they moved or advanced..
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jan 14, 2022 11:08:27 GMT -5
sadly a max of 30 purestrains in an army, so cannot do a full genestealer list... but purestrains are GREAT right now, and I'll definitely be using them!
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Post by cmcd on Jan 14, 2022 15:51:48 GMT -5
sadly a max of 30 purestrains in an army, so cannot do a full genestealer list... but purestrains are GREAT right now, and I'll definitely be using them! True...only 30. There is a strat that you can use for Genestealers that allows you to roll 3D6 for the Charge. They get a free reroll for the charge and can come in at either 8" or 9" depending on where they come out. Totally using them. Wishing I did not get rid of mine... I think i sold them too you. |
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jan 14, 2022 16:51:44 GMT -5
lol.. that you did! they will look very nice rushing across the table at you  |
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